I can respect the effort, but that is a woman more juiced than an orange. Still a lot of work was put in, but she would be nothing compared to what she is without drugs.
And as I pointed out to a guy back on old KIA2, its a game with a revenge plot that ends with "forgiving" your father's murderer because revenge is empty (except all those people you killed on the way, whatevs). That alone is massively shitty and undermines everything else, and has nothing to do with any politics.
I can respect the effort, but that is a woman more juiced than an orange. Still a lot of work was put in, but she would be nothing compared to what she is without drugs.
That's bodybuilding in general, and a fair point. I do rather like the idea of natural only body building, but it's beyond a minority concern in the grand scheme of things.
And unlike a straight up body builder, she's apparently maintained a high level of functional sporting ability. I can respect that, even with the entirely fair caveats.
Given all the problems associated with juicing, I don't think its just a minority concern. Its a real problem, with real effects that should not be promoted no matter how it looks.
Its a real problem in the community, but so is Domestic Violence in the NFL, and equally serious (double so because of the rage issues associated with it).
Good on her for actually maintaining function instead of just form though, that is respectable.
Given all the problems associated with juicing, I don't think its just a minority concern. Its a real problem, with real effects that should not be promoted no matter how it looks.
Ah, sorry. My bad on the phrasing.
I meant that all-natural bodybuilding itself is a very small niche, that lacks even the exposure and support of bodybuilding more generally (which has itself falling significantly since the golden age).
I think there is varying levels of it, that can't be discounted. While completely natural is pretty niche, the level of extreme you would have to use to reach a body like hers is also on the far end.
There is a level in the middle where its acceptable risks for breaking through plateaus, but many go far beyond that into hardcore roids level and all the issues that come with that.
I can respect the effort, but that is a woman more juiced than an orange. Still a lot of work was put in, but she would be nothing compared to what she is without drugs.
And as I pointed out to a guy back on old KIA2, its a game with a revenge plot that ends with "forgiving" your father's murderer because revenge is empty (except all those people you killed on the way, whatevs). That alone is massively shitty and undermines everything else, and has nothing to do with any politics.
That's bodybuilding in general, and a fair point. I do rather like the idea of natural only body building, but it's beyond a minority concern in the grand scheme of things.
And unlike a straight up body builder, she's apparently maintained a high level of functional sporting ability. I can respect that, even with the entirely fair caveats.
Given all the problems associated with juicing, I don't think its just a minority concern. Its a real problem, with real effects that should not be promoted no matter how it looks.
Its a real problem in the community, but so is Domestic Violence in the NFL, and equally serious (double so because of the rage issues associated with it).
Good on her for actually maintaining function instead of just form though, that is respectable.
Ah, sorry. My bad on the phrasing.
I meant that all-natural bodybuilding itself is a very small niche, that lacks even the exposure and support of bodybuilding more generally (which has itself falling significantly since the golden age).
I think there is varying levels of it, that can't be discounted. While completely natural is pretty niche, the level of extreme you would have to use to reach a body like hers is also on the far end.
There is a level in the middle where its acceptable risks for breaking through plateaus, but many go far beyond that into hardcore roids level and all the issues that come with that.