I’ve never seen a good argument for why people shouldn’t use the term “woke”. The one I see come up the most frequently is “People will call anything with a black/woman/gay in it woke”.
Yeah, that’s what happens you poison the well. That association came about from years worth of very deliberate actions by progressives. They are the ones who made women and blacks(as lead characters) into mascots for their retarded ideology that purposefully incites conflict everywhere they go, and then pretend to be shocked when people start practicing pattern recognition and start rejecting it.
MANY people are absolutely sick of the intersectional feminist commie “frame every fucking thing in the universe through oppressor/victim lens” narrative, and finger-wagging them for using a word isn’t going to make them magically shut up and accept it. Nor is playing a shell game with words going to serve as a reality hack to dodge criticism of this ideology that insists on inserting itself everywhere.
“Why don’t you say what your specific problem is without saying woke, it’s so overused it’s lost it’s meaning”
It has not lost it’s meaning, people moan about the term because they don’t want progressive ideas being criticized. It’s not even the term that’s the issue, they have no problem with “woke” when it’s associated with something they align with succeeding, like that crap ass Barbie movie.
Where is this concern for the sanctity of words when leftists are throwing around “racist”, “sexist”,”misogynist””fascist”,”reactionary”,”incel”, “bigot”,”white supremacist” like potpourri at a wedding? I notice this griping over words is very one-sided, it’s nearly always coming from a progressive, or some normie who doesn’t research anything and gets their talking points from progressives.
A term doesn’t have to have to encompass a thing with total accuracy to be a useful descriptor. No-one actually expects that of any term. Woke is a convenient euphemism for decisions made that 9/10 are based in either intersectional feminism, “white man bad” American racial grievance bullshit, or LGBTWTFBBQ. It’s not hard to define, they just refuse to accept the obvious and go off like a pre-recorded message about “MUH AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ALERTNESS TO PREJUDICE”, as if anyone is persuaded by them acting like children, pretending not to understand that words can take on new meanings over time.
Progressives never argue in good faith, it doesn’t matter if you love 100 female-led movies and tv shows and never use the term “woke” once, as soon as you critique some pile of trash like the Acolyte, they’re going to start throwing out the -istaphobes to try and intimidate you into silence, because it’s what they always do. If normies are sick of hearing the term, well, I’m sick of the movement that the term refers to and want it to die already. Neither of us are getting what we want, too fucking bad.
TLDR, Keep using it, the people who bitch about it are either woke themselves, or so low-information/investment that there’s little reason to care about their opinion anyway.
You have laid out perfectly what I’ve been saying for a while. I personally call it “the trifecta” referring to the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power). I know they say woke is used too much but how else to describe it. Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests
" the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power)."
I've started calling black lesbians "Threefers", because every time they include one in something, it's three check marks in one character. It damn near guarantees whatever you’re watching is going to be a pile of woke crap. Watching American media today, you’d think nearly all black women were gay.
“Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. “
Something I wanted to note regarding that – you ever notice how, even with the deluge of woke content, you never see a gay male protagonist in a movie/show, unless it’s explicitly about being gay? There’s a reason for that. Straight men don’t want to identify with gay male characters. They just don’t. No amount of calling them “homophobe” will change this. When they need LGBT rep, it’s almost always a lesbian lead. Another thing – straight men have zero interest in a lesbian character that isn’t hot.
I don’t have an issue with gays and lesbians having their own content, or the occasional character who just happens to be that, or even a larger amount if there’s some intentional reason that isn’t virtue signaling (i.e. all-female civilization or whatever). But shoving them front-and-center into stories that having nothing to do with being gay is inherently off-putting, and the woke do it intentionally because they’re compulsive iconoclasts who loathe everything normal and need to “stick it to the cis white patriarchy” at every opportunity, even when it’s creating disdain and resentment for the same people they’re supposedly trying to help.
“One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests “
It’s about “fighting the patriarchy”. Male spaces are inherently a threat to women because you leave men alone in a group, it inherently fosters misogynist beliefs and practices, according to their bullshit ideology men are evil monsters who need to be monitored and kept in check at all times. You can see why feminism endears to so many oligarchs and tyrants, they’re never left wanting for an excuse to interfere with people’s lives.
I was illustrating to someone what has happened to male hobbies and said it would be like taking over hallmark and making war movies or action thrillers while calling the core fanbase toxic for wanting to see romance.
Like you, I used to not mind a gay character here and there and I’ve read plenty of books with gay characters but that wasn’t the focus. If they were more in proportion to the actual population that would be different. Like you said make gay themed content for a gay audience.
I laughed out loud about he black lesbian thing because that seems to be all over
I’ve never seen a good argument for why people shouldn’t use the term “woke”. The one I see come up the most frequently is “People will call anything with a black/woman/gay in it woke”.
Yeah, that’s what happens you poison the well. That association came about from years worth of very deliberate actions by progressives. They are the ones who made women and blacks(as lead characters) into mascots for their retarded ideology that purposefully incites conflict everywhere they go, and then pretend to be shocked when people start practicing pattern recognition and start rejecting it.
MANY people are absolutely sick of the intersectional feminist commie “frame every fucking thing in the universe through oppressor/victim lens” narrative, and finger-wagging them for using a word isn’t going to make them magically shut up and accept it. Nor is playing a shell game with words going to serve as a reality hack to dodge criticism of this ideology that insists on inserting itself everywhere.
“Why don’t you say what your specific problem is without saying woke, it’s so overused it’s lost it’s meaning”
It has not lost it’s meaning, people moan about the term because they don’t want progressive ideas being criticized. It’s not even the term that’s the issue, they have no problem with “woke” when it’s associated with something they align with succeeding, like that crap ass Barbie movie.
Where is this concern for the sanctity of words when leftists are throwing around “racist”, “sexist”,”misogynist””fascist”,”reactionary”,”incel”, “bigot”,”white supremacist” like potpourri at a wedding? I notice this griping over words is very one-sided, it’s nearly always coming from a progressive, or some normie who doesn’t research anything and gets their talking points from progressives.
A term doesn’t have to have to encompass a thing with total accuracy to be a useful descriptor. No-one actually expects that of any term. Woke is a convenient euphemism for decisions made that 9/10 are based in either intersectional feminism, “white man bad” American racial grievance bullshit, or LGBTWTFBBQ. It’s not hard to define, they just refuse to accept the obvious and go off like a pre-recorded message about “MUH AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ALERTNESS TO PREJUDICE”, as if anyone is persuaded by them acting like children, pretending not to understand that words can take on new meanings over time.
Progressives never argue in good faith, it doesn’t matter if you love 100 female-led movies and tv shows and never use the term “woke” once, as soon as you critique some pile of trash like the Acolyte, they’re going to start throwing out the -istaphobes to try and intimidate you into silence, because it’s what they always do. If normies are sick of hearing the term, well, I’m sick of the movement that the term refers to and want it to die already. Neither of us are getting what we want, too fucking bad.
TLDR, Keep using it, the people who bitch about it are either woke themselves, or so low-information/investment that there’s little reason to care about their opinion anyway.
You have laid out perfectly what I’ve been saying for a while. I personally call it “the trifecta” referring to the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power). I know they say woke is used too much but how else to describe it. Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests
" the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power)."
I've started calling black lesbians "Threefers", because every time they include one in something, it's three check marks in one character. It damn near guarantees whatever you’re watching is going to be a pile of woke crap. Watching American media today, you’d think nearly all black women were gay.
“Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. “
Something I wanted to note regarding that – you ever notice how, even with the deluge of woke content, you never see a gay male protagonist in a movie/show, unless it’s explicitly about being gay? There’s a reason for that. Straight men don’t want to identify with gay male characters. They just don’t. No amount of calling them “homophobe” will change this. When they need LGBT rep, it’s almost always a lesbian lead. Another thing – straight men have zero interest in a lesbian character that isn’t hot.
I don’t have an issue with gays and lesbians having their own content, or the occasional character who just happens to be that, or even a larger amount if there’s some intentional reason that isn’t virtue signaling (i.e. all-female civilization or whatever). But shoving them front-and-center into stories that having nothing to do with being gay is inherently off-putting, and the woke do it intentionally because they’re compulsive iconoclasts who loathe everything normal and need to “stick it to the cis white patriarchy” at every opportunity, even when it’s creating disdain and resentment for the same people they’re supposedly trying to help.
“One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests “
It’s about “fighting the patriarchy”. Male spaces are inherently a threat to women because you leave men alone in a group, it inherently fosters misogynist beliefs and practices, according to their bullshit ideology men are evil monsters who need to be monitored and kept in check at all times. You can see why feminism endears to so many oligarchs and tyrants, they’re never left wanting for an excuse to interfere with people’s lives.
I was illustrating to someone what has happened to male hobbies and said it would be like taking over hallmark and making war movies or action thrillers while calling the core fanbase toxic for wanting to see romance.
Like you, I used to not mind a gay character here and there and I’ve read plenty of books with gay characters but that wasn’t the focus. If they were more in proportion to the actual population that would be different. Like you said make gay themed content for a gay audience.
I laughed out loud about he black lesbian thing because that seems to be all over