I don’t agree with Islam, but the steelman is clearly: look at all the simps we have today. Look at all the thots and bitches that get influence they should never be allowed anywhere near. Heck, this forum is ultimately the result of a woman using sex to get tons and tons of influence she didn’t deserve, and she wasn’t even particularly attractive. It’s nice that you have good self control, but it’s clear that much of society does not, and a handful of individuals’ resistance to manipulation means little when so many people around them are vulnerable.
In general I do think you’re right and there’s probably a much more scaled back version of a patriarchal society where you don’t force women into hijabs and prevent them from speaking entirely while still disallowing thottery and expecting men to have the bulk of societal leadership. But it is worth pointing out that at one point, we did have that, and it obviously didn’t end well.
We already had that, it WAS Christianity and that was the best version as had all the morality required but enough freedom of thought that we had a renaissance and scientific advancement.
That's why it was the first target to weaken by the degenerates and bad actors.
Yeah, it basically comes down to whether you think being as extreme as Islam is the only way to stop feminism or whether you think there were other bad actors and issues that could be solved without going there. I tend to lean towards option two, but I do see the logic behind option one.
You mean the 1950s where women were jailed for showing to much skin? Where husband's beat their wives and raping your wife was not illegal? That Christianity?
Compared to the modern day stoning and public flogging of people of Islam, the repression of scientific advancement and I think the others just come part of the package.
You used the exception to make a point, the difference is Islam writes it into the constitution of a theistic society.
I don’t agree with Islam, but the steelman is clearly: look at all the simps we have today. Look at all the thots and bitches that get influence they should never be allowed anywhere near. Heck, this forum is ultimately the result of a woman using sex to get tons and tons of influence she didn’t deserve, and she wasn’t even particularly attractive. It’s nice that you have good self control, but it’s clear that much of society does not, and a handful of individuals’ resistance to manipulation means little when so many people around them are vulnerable.
In general I do think you’re right and there’s probably a much more scaled back version of a patriarchal society where you don’t force women into hijabs and prevent them from speaking entirely while still disallowing thottery and expecting men to have the bulk of societal leadership. But it is worth pointing out that at one point, we did have that, and it obviously didn’t end well.
We already had that, it WAS Christianity and that was the best version as had all the morality required but enough freedom of thought that we had a renaissance and scientific advancement.
That's why it was the first target to weaken by the degenerates and bad actors.
Yeah, it basically comes down to whether you think being as extreme as Islam is the only way to stop feminism or whether you think there were other bad actors and issues that could be solved without going there. I tend to lean towards option two, but I do see the logic behind option one.
You mean the 1950s where women were jailed for showing to much skin? Where husband's beat their wives and raping your wife was not illegal? That Christianity?
Compared to the modern day stoning and public flogging of people of Islam, the repression of scientific advancement and I think the others just come part of the package.
You used the exception to make a point, the difference is Islam writes it into the constitution of a theistic society.