The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
I think it's getting really bad out there more so than people realize. I'm 36yo and I have refused to "drop out". I just hung out with a woman I've kind of been dating after work today watching the Canada vs. Argentina football game.
I've literally tried absolutely everything and continue trying new things. The latest thing I've been dabbling in is Sugar Daddy/Baby stuff.
Something I've noticed lately that wasn't the case 8 years ago is the sheer volume of single dudes that seem to be bi now and the number of single dudes with female friends. A decade ago, most guys would bail on girls who friend-zoned them and most guys were straight. I feel like the market is so bad for men to get women that men are becoming gay/bi because they have no other option and men that get friend-zoned by women still continue to be friends with the woman because they literally would have no other contact with women if they didn't. That seems to be the impression I'm getting of the situation when I "go out". And I'm out lots. I'm at bars/clubs/house parties like 2-3 times a week and I'm constantly meeting new people and trying new events around the city to meet people.
I imagine if this is what I'm encountering among the men that "go out", there's probably a significant amount of men that don't go out anymore because of how bad it is out there.
This Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has taught me a lot too. I tried this like maybe 5 years ago and there wasn't really much going on back then. Today though, I am NOT exaggerating but there's more good looking Sugar Babies in my city than there are good looking women on Tinder. I've chatted with Sugar Babies who have Sugar Daddies in Europe that just send them allowance throughout the year and then get the Sugar Babies to come traveling with the guy a few times a year. When all these good looking women have this sort of system going, they aren't looking for serious long-term boyfriends, they're looking for fuck toys to have an orgasm here or there and that's it. This sort of system is completely pulling women entirely off the market. The sheer volume of 18yo girls wanting to be a Sugar Baby is worrying to. It's basically a viable career path for women now. Oh, and from my experience there's a lot of Sugar Babies that are encouraged by their mothers to do it so they "don't need no man" because of a failed marriage.
Last Saturday I was out at a restaurant/bar at a hotel that has the nicest view for miles where lots of weddings take place. I noticed a wedding party where a 50yo dude was marrying what appeared to be an 18yo girl. The wedding car he was driving in was a Ferrari. I think we've honestly hit a peak in society where women have so much value you pretty much have to buy the woman or you get none. You can rent a woman along with like 5 other guys but you're getting uber quality when you rent women. If you want the wife + kids with a decent woman you literally have to buy them. $200k-300k/yr I believe is the going price.
Anyway, my report is that things are significantly worse today than ever before and I think way more men are checked out than most people realize. Obviously, when you're out-and-about you see a lot of bf/gf or husband/wife couples but it's a bias because single people tend to not go out solo. I'm an anomaly in that regard and always have been. Most single guys/girls are sitting at home playing video games or doing something else than going to places where couples often go to.
There's going to be a group of guys that always succeed because of their natural attractiveness but these are your top 10% of men, which may even be the top 5% these days. If you're not in this group, you're out of luck or you have to end up with an ugly/fat woman (which isn't a problem for every guy). If you want a pretty woman with a decent personality and you're not in the top 5% of men, you're out of luck these days so I'd wager something like 50% of men have dropped out entirely, though most men who drop out will get back in the game if the opportunity comes along but most guys don't have much hope in that department.
It's not even a matter of "stopping the bitch from robbing you via divorce", that's just now part of the whole deal when you sign up for one. Women expect to be able to be given the get out of the relationship for half your stuff card to use whenever they want, otherwise they won't want anything to do with you.
That 50yo rich dude marrying the 18yo girl... You think she's going to be with him for the next 40 years until he dies? Hah, not a chance. He'll maybe get 7 years out of her before the divorce. She'll probably throw a few kids in there for good measure after she talks to a whole team of lawyers and family experts who all know what the best chances are for her to extract as much money from the guy when she leaves, who were coaching her before she even got marriage by putting those thoughts in her head. She'll tell everyone he was abusive and that this only changed after a few years of the marriage whereas before he wasn't like that so there was no way she could tell, boohoo. Same old story all women use that completely forgets to mention how she changed that led to his change in behavior also. It turns out when you go from BJs and sex everyday and "yes daddy, whatever you want" to I'm your equal partner in this equal marriage so you better listen here mister and do what I want, oh and I have a headache, that guys start to change from whatever my princess wants to live up to your end of the bargain bitch.
Anyway, if you aren't getting married expecting your marriage to end then you're doing it wrong it you're marrying a woman so low on the scale of what men like in women that it's going to be you eventually wanting the divorce, not her.
I'm divorced and she barely got anything. She got about $20k in total.
What you need to understand is that all women are whores, period. Where there's no cash exchanged, there's value being exchanged some other way. Some women are fine with men exchanging their looks, penis and work around the house in exchange for the woman because she knows she's worth relatively little money given how ugly/fat she is but the man isn't getting that pussy for free. He's paying somehow.
So while you're right that in theory no man should xyz regarding women because men should be the ones women are paying for not the other way around, in our current society if men try to transact with women such that women pay for the men then men end up with absolutely nothing. A big fat 0. You either pay women for their vagina or you get nothing. And you get what you pay for at the end of the day. Some guys try to game the system as much as they can but it usually doesn't pan out either because absolutely everything in our society is designed around teaching women how valuable they are and how they can best extract as much as they want from men. Shelter a woman from this and all it takes is a few hours on tiktok for her to have been indoctrinated by society enough to fuck you over and start demanding more payment.
You either pay for a woman's vagina or you get no vagina. That's how our society works.