anyone who has been paying attention at all, no. there are tons of examples... here's one... legally it's impossible for him to be guilty. if it was anyone other than trump, the motion to dismiss would have been granted before the trial even happened. first year law student could win the case. the specific law they tried him on requires the falsification to happen in furtherance of a crime. no other crime was alleged. when the prosecutor was pressed to identify a crime, he couldn't do it and the clown show judge cut off the discussion for the clown show being exposed. the reason why that extra crime is required is because people fuck up business records all the time. we don't impute criminality just because a business record is incorrect. something more is necessary.
the facts of the matter revolve around trump and stormy daniels, and both she and her own attorney refuted the prosecutor's narrative in this case. repeatedly. there's no factual basis for it. long before this, stormy daniels sued trump for defamation, texts/emails proved she lied. she took the L and admitted what she did was wrong, even paid trump's legal fees. instead, this case revolves around michael cohen, a convicted perjurer, once again contradicting his own testimony and depositions in other cases.
the judge also edited the standard jury instructions, which is virtually always grounds for appeal. this is because as above, no other crime was alleged. the standard instructions reference how one specific element of this crime is that these must be done in furtherance of another crime. if there is no other crime, then this element is missing, and legally it's not even supposed to go to trial. as above, the prosecutor didn't allege another crime, couldn't identify one, and the judge improperly cut off discussion on it, because they cannot win on this issue.
the judge himself also gave upwards of a million to dem candidates and orgs, including biden PACs, and even his daughter's company who literally works for a political company run by the biden campaign. this is certainly grounds for recusal.
the judge is on official record meeting directly with the biden administration during the trial. this shit is clown show.
it will go to the court of appeals, which is all soros owned, and then to the supreme court. NY has post-conviction cash bail for non-violent crimes, so trump won't even go to jail. the appeal won't be done before the election.
Almost certainly not. A quick, very incomplete summary...
The prosecution presented zero actual evidence except the testimony of Michael Cohen, who is a serial liar and perjurer. They did not charge him with any of the predicate offenses that could have supposedly turned the misdemeanor bookkeeping offense into a felony, and did not even present evidence that he had committed any of them.
The judge, whose daughter is on the direct payroll of people in the Biden administration and other high ranking democrats like Adam Schiff, refused to recuse himself in defiance of New York State law saying that a judge with a personal interest within 6 degrees of separation of the case must do so. Among a litany of other obviously biased things he did, he gave instructions to the jury that they don't even need to agree on the underlying predicate offense (which, again, he was not charged with and had never been convicted of) to find him guilty of the bookkeeping misdemeanor with felony enhancement.
The defense was not allowed to present expert witnesses from the FEC that would say that he had not committed any campaign finance violation. A former federal prosecutor of 20 years who had briefly served as Cohen's lawyer and had a waiver of attorney client privilege was not allowed to testify that Cohen had told him that Donald Trump had done nothing wrong when the SDNY prosecutors were demanding that he flip on Trump
This is barely scratching the surface. There will be libraries written about all of the nonsense surrounding the case.
Even if he is 'guilty', the process has so little credibility that nobody should believe it.
And also, even if he is 'guilty,' it's a fucking process crime of not labeling something correctly when written in a fucking ledger. This is what they're sending a former president to jail for: writing something down wrong. Not starting a war based on lies. Not executing American citizens without due process. Not some sort of corruption or financial gain that would allow him to buy a gigantic mansion on Martha's Vineyard.
One of his employees wrote something down in a financial ledger that (the prosecution alleges) should have been labeled "hush money" instead of "legal services." That's why President Trump is guilty.
This is barely scratching the surface. There will be libraries written about all of the nonsense surrounding the case.
I disagree. Nothing about this case will be in literature, except to say "WE GOT HIM!".
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell
Great, I’m not gonna enjoy dinner with the in laws after my mother in law drops the “did you see they finally are gonna lock Trump up?” Meanwhile an actual criminal who brought drugs into the White House is perfectly fine and definitely should be voted for again
No, the judge fixed the whole thing from the beginning. They kicked off one juror that had been selected when it became clear that he planned to do his job instead of convicting no matter what.
Depends on what you mean. Did he break some fine point of campaign finance law? Could be, I'm not a lawyer. Did he do something 34 felonies worse than every other politician? Hell no, this was purely political and it couldn't be any more obvious.
No, not 34 different felonies. They took one instance of bookkeeping and charged him for every step in the bookkeeping process.
-Logged the bank transaction? That's a charge.
-Transferred the money from one G/L account to another? That's a charge.
-Funds logged into a bank account? That's a charge.
etc etc.
Is he actually guilty? I don't pay attention to this shit, too many moving parts and everybody lies.
officially yes, he was declared guilty.
anyone who has been paying attention at all, no. there are tons of examples... here's one... legally it's impossible for him to be guilty. if it was anyone other than trump, the motion to dismiss would have been granted before the trial even happened. first year law student could win the case. the specific law they tried him on requires the falsification to happen in furtherance of a crime. no other crime was alleged. when the prosecutor was pressed to identify a crime, he couldn't do it and the clown show judge cut off the discussion for the clown show being exposed. the reason why that extra crime is required is because people fuck up business records all the time. we don't impute criminality just because a business record is incorrect. something more is necessary.
the facts of the matter revolve around trump and stormy daniels, and both she and her own attorney refuted the prosecutor's narrative in this case. repeatedly. there's no factual basis for it. long before this, stormy daniels sued trump for defamation, texts/emails proved she lied. she took the L and admitted what she did was wrong, even paid trump's legal fees. instead, this case revolves around michael cohen, a convicted perjurer, once again contradicting his own testimony and depositions in other cases.
the judge also edited the standard jury instructions, which is virtually always grounds for appeal. this is because as above, no other crime was alleged. the standard instructions reference how one specific element of this crime is that these must be done in furtherance of another crime. if there is no other crime, then this element is missing, and legally it's not even supposed to go to trial. as above, the prosecutor didn't allege another crime, couldn't identify one, and the judge improperly cut off discussion on it, because they cannot win on this issue.
the judge himself also gave upwards of a million to dem candidates and orgs, including biden PACs, and even his daughter's company who literally works for a political company run by the biden campaign. this is certainly grounds for recusal.
the judge is on official record meeting directly with the biden administration during the trial. this shit is clown show.
it will go to the court of appeals, which is all soros owned, and then to the supreme court. NY has post-conviction cash bail for non-violent crimes, so trump won't even go to jail. the appeal won't be done before the election.
Yup, just announced. All 34 counts.
Allow me to rephrase: is he legitimately guilty?
Almost certainly not. A quick, very incomplete summary...
The prosecution presented zero actual evidence except the testimony of Michael Cohen, who is a serial liar and perjurer. They did not charge him with any of the predicate offenses that could have supposedly turned the misdemeanor bookkeeping offense into a felony, and did not even present evidence that he had committed any of them.
The judge, whose daughter is on the direct payroll of people in the Biden administration and other high ranking democrats like Adam Schiff, refused to recuse himself in defiance of New York State law saying that a judge with a personal interest within 6 degrees of separation of the case must do so. Among a litany of other obviously biased things he did, he gave instructions to the jury that they don't even need to agree on the underlying predicate offense (which, again, he was not charged with and had never been convicted of) to find him guilty of the bookkeeping misdemeanor with felony enhancement.
The defense was not allowed to present expert witnesses from the FEC that would say that he had not committed any campaign finance violation. A former federal prosecutor of 20 years who had briefly served as Cohen's lawyer and had a waiver of attorney client privilege was not allowed to testify that Cohen had told him that Donald Trump had done nothing wrong when the SDNY prosecutors were demanding that he flip on Trump
This is barely scratching the surface. There will be libraries written about all of the nonsense surrounding the case.
Even if he is 'guilty', the process has so little credibility that nobody should believe it.
And also, even if he is 'guilty,' it's a fucking process crime of not labeling something correctly when written in a fucking ledger. This is what they're sending a former president to jail for: writing something down wrong. Not starting a war based on lies. Not executing American citizens without due process. Not some sort of corruption or financial gain that would allow him to buy a gigantic mansion on Martha's Vineyard.
One of his employees wrote something down in a financial ledger that (the prosecution alleges) should have been labeled "hush money" instead of "legal services." That's why President Trump is guilty.
I recall an article saying Cohen's reputation of lying actually bolstered his testimony so I suppose that that was a microcosm of the whole affair
The government proving yet again it has long since been illegitimate.
Washington would have been stacking bodies by now.
Holey Moley, that's some passion.
I disagree. Nothing about this case will be in literature, except to say "WE GOT HIM!".
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell
No way, complete kangaroo court.
Great, I’m not gonna enjoy dinner with the in laws after my mother in law drops the “did you see they finally are gonna lock Trump up?” Meanwhile an actual criminal who brought drugs into the White House is perfectly fine and definitely should be voted for again
Stalin would be so proud of his American comrades
No, the judge fixed the whole thing from the beginning. They kicked off one juror that had been selected when it became clear that he planned to do his job instead of convicting no matter what.
Some idiot NYT reporter let it slip that one of the jury members is a democrat, and the judge himself is some democrat guy.
Depends on what you mean. Did he break some fine point of campaign finance law? Could be, I'm not a lawyer. Did he do something 34 felonies worse than every other politician? Hell no, this was purely political and it couldn't be any more obvious.
No, not 34 different felonies. They took one instance of bookkeeping and charged him for every step in the bookkeeping process.
-Logged the bank transaction? That's a charge.
-Transferred the money from one G/L account to another? That's a charge.
-Funds logged into a bank account? That's a charge.
etc etc.