He didn't miss the trashcan though. I don't know why we have to misrepresent what he did. He committed petty theft several times. We can argue whether that's worthy of firing him and taking his retirement payment, but let's at least be honest about the facts.
Er... did you not read the post? Nowhere is there misrepresentation. I clearly call it a wrong, but its such a minor wrong that its a joke to go after and take such extreme action against.
What that comparison was meant to represent was the piddling nature of the "offense". Missing the trashcan is an offense, Its called littering. If you want a more intentional-looking piddling crime, then jaywalking would be a fine replacement.
Imagine if your life got ruined because of some bullshit like that. To me there is no argument, you'd have to be unhinged in some way to think that's an acceptable form of retribution.
The crime was theft, not littering or jaywalking. Missing the trashcan is only littering if you leave it there, and jaywalking does not deprive or defraud a business owner. Why bother listing other crimes rather than the one committed? He committed petty theft.
I'm in the US and my office specifically lists theft of office supplies as a workplace violation, which can become a fireable offense. If having a reputation as a thief degrades the reputation of the school and its ability to interact with parents, then he has to deal with how the school and teaching board decide to handle his crime.
I think it's far more unhinged to "guarantee" employment or licensing.
I'm in the US and my office specifically lists theft of office supplies as a workplace violation, which can become a fireable offense.
So if you keep a 10-cent pencil from the office without really thinking about it, you deserve to be fired?
That doesn't sound exploitable at all. Totally sane office environment you have there.
Its not about "guaranteeing" employment, its the fact that the issue was so minor in scope and scale that it ends up being comical if action is taken over it. If they could take away your retirement pay over that, I would probably call that a pretense for something else because no sane person would fire a long-time employee over that.
The theft in question is so petty that its laughable. Its so petty that the state didn't bother to press charges. You know what the word "petty" means, right? Its not just a modifying adjective for the word "theft", it has a definition.
You're basically saying he deserves to have his life over for the equivalent of this.
How many pencils can I steal before being fired? How much reputational damage can I cause while remaining employed? You're clearly advocating for guaranteed employment if you say one should never be fired for such things.
Your attitude reminds me of Office Space and how someone can rationalize theft.
It's a fraction of a penny, they won't miss it
A thief should certainly be punished. The severity should be based on impact of the crime among other factors, which go far beyond money value of the stolen item. Social degradation and loss of a high trust society can cause far more economic damage even if it's just a cup of coffee. Cutting in line hurts efficiency despite having no nominal economic value.
For Japanese schools, the reputational damage could cause them to close. If that's the case, why not fire him? I'm not the business, so I can't decide on their behalf, I don't know their business situation. Should a McDonald's fire an employee for flicking a booger into a burger?
Personally, I don't think he should lose his retirement pay, but I'm not aware of Japanese social and business dynamics nor am I arrogant enough to say whether that was the right choice for them.
I'll say it again: Should a McDonald's fire an employee for flicking a booger into a burger? Maybe in India, they could get away with it. Maybe in America, they would have to fire that employee. Different consequences for different societies.
He didn't miss the trashcan though. I don't know why we have to misrepresent what he did. He committed petty theft several times. We can argue whether that's worthy of firing him and taking his retirement payment, but let's at least be honest about the facts.
Er... did you not read the post? Nowhere is there misrepresentation. I clearly call it a wrong, but its such a minor wrong that its a joke to go after and take such extreme action against.
What that comparison was meant to represent was the piddling nature of the "offense". Missing the trashcan is an offense, Its called littering. If you want a more intentional-looking piddling crime, then jaywalking would be a fine replacement.
Imagine if your life got ruined because of some bullshit like that. To me there is no argument, you'd have to be unhinged in some way to think that's an acceptable form of retribution.
The crime was theft, not littering or jaywalking. Missing the trashcan is only littering if you leave it there, and jaywalking does not deprive or defraud a business owner. Why bother listing other crimes rather than the one committed? He committed petty theft.
I'm in the US and my office specifically lists theft of office supplies as a workplace violation, which can become a fireable offense. If having a reputation as a thief degrades the reputation of the school and its ability to interact with parents, then he has to deal with how the school and teaching board decide to handle his crime.
I think it's far more unhinged to "guarantee" employment or licensing.
So if you keep a 10-cent pencil from the office without really thinking about it, you deserve to be fired?
That doesn't sound exploitable at all. Totally sane office environment you have there.
Its not about "guaranteeing" employment, its the fact that the issue was so minor in scope and scale that it ends up being comical if action is taken over it. If they could take away your retirement pay over that, I would probably call that a pretense for something else because no sane person would fire a long-time employee over that.
The theft in question is so petty that its laughable. Its so petty that the state didn't bother to press charges. You know what the word "petty" means, right? Its not just a modifying adjective for the word "theft", it has a definition.
You're basically saying he deserves to have his life over for the equivalent of this.
How many pencils can I steal before being fired? How much reputational damage can I cause while remaining employed? You're clearly advocating for guaranteed employment if you say one should never be fired for such things.
Your attitude reminds me of Office Space and how someone can rationalize theft.
A thief should certainly be punished. The severity should be based on impact of the crime among other factors, which go far beyond money value of the stolen item. Social degradation and loss of a high trust society can cause far more economic damage even if it's just a cup of coffee. Cutting in line hurts efficiency despite having no nominal economic value.
For Japanese schools, the reputational damage could cause them to close. If that's the case, why not fire him? I'm not the business, so I can't decide on their behalf, I don't know their business situation. Should a McDonald's fire an employee for flicking a booger into a burger?
Personally, I don't think he should lose his retirement pay, but I'm not aware of Japanese social and business dynamics nor am I arrogant enough to say whether that was the right choice for them.
I'll say it again: Should a McDonald's fire an employee for flicking a booger into a burger? Maybe in India, they could get away with it. Maybe in America, they would have to fire that employee. Different consequences for different societies.