And this is why i didn't wanna debate you on this one. first off... humanity more times in the past has come to brink of world ending violence. in this day and age... not so much. and you put the fault of this on... open homosexuals?
Where do you get that I put the evil of 'world ending violence' on homosexuals? I'm just saying that homosexuals (if there is an identity) being in the closet is a far lesser evil than the potentially world-ending consequences of libertinism... which, just so you know, is not the fault of homosexuals, although the acceptance of homosexuality is part of it.
they always say that followed by some dumb shit. more on this later
Great, then I'll not bother saying it ever again.
all of which, wouldn't have happened... had they been given human rights from the getgo and allowed to assimilate into normal society.
They had human rights. You probably mean that if homosexuality had been accepted. That possibly would have prevented this activism from coming into existence and becoming the never-ending pest that it is now. But I don't know how history would have progressed in that case. There are very few examples of advanced societies that were fine with homosexuality, and no, ancient Greece is not an example.
no, because he agrees, and i disagree
He agrees with WHAT? That he sucks a lot of white dicks? Shame on you.
you-you do know most of those doctors that did that humor stuff was religious right?
Well, yeah - everyone was. Same reason you use to dismiss all the 'scientists' or natural philosophers who were religious. But of course, they didn't get it from their religion, they got it from Galen. How you try to pin this on religion is beyond me.
Now your being a piece of shit. religion in it's early day had some fucked up stuff. but got over it. their's still far more religious people atleast here in the stats by 81% so by no means is this crazy the result of a "lack" of religion. and even if it was.
If you call what you have in the US religion. And who exactly is pushing 'pregnant men'? Is it the religiously devout? No, it's people with no religion.
why are you giving religion a pass to make many mistakes. but a society that's atheistic that does dumb shit needs to be revoked. sounds like double standards to me.
They were not 'mistakes', they were human universals. Like slavery. In fact, it was devout Christians who championed the abolition of slavery, and who unlike the humorists, did so based on their religion. As for the mistakes of modernity, they are not human universals. They are modern inventions. It is very hard to try to excuse them in any way.
wanna know how they deal with it? beating, publicly shaming, killing, converting with leads to depression and later suicide... yeah man your right. having gay people fucking miserable is far better for society. see! your not a piece of shit monster! your a decent human being.
How many people in the Middle Ages committed suicide because they were, in your words, gay? All this never happened. But then you use it as an excuse to push your agenda. Maybe there will be few to no 'gay people' if society discourages it enough. Have you ever thought of that? 20% of young Americans now identify with that rainbow cult, compared to less than 1% of oldtimers. As for people who do have an inclination towards homoesxuality, that's their cross to bear.
This is not necessarily my opinion, but you are provoking me to play devil's advocate.
I-i already did. i just said both atheism and religion aren't perfect. but your the only asshole who's saying: "yeah religion fucked before in the past... but it's our only way forward"
Never said it sucked.
that's you! admitting that religion is needed.
Not at all. Correlation is not causation, after all. There may be another cause for the total insanity we're facing than the 'decline of religion'. Or it may be that both decline of religion and the spread of insanity have a separate cause. I suspect that it has something to do with the fall of religion, and you have done not much to allay my fear.
Now your being a bible dick sucker. if your pushing for religion to be norm. why don't most religious people act in such a way that is becoming or civil?
The standard for whether religion is good is not whether most religious people are good by your arbitrary standards. It's whether they are better than they otherwise would be. Which is why "but people in the past were BAAAAD" rings hollow.
Oh heeeeell! no! you did not just pull your morality came from the bible. go fuck yourself man. also most christian were pretty racist towards the jews back then...
I don't, you do. The reason you think that people are equal regardless of race, is because of your residual Christian values. Christians were never racist against Jews. Jews were not considered a race before modern times - it was religious bias. You should have cited the KKK and other faux Christians who were racist against blacks, that's a better example. But obviously, that was racists trying to read their racism in the Bible than people reading the Bible and saying "oh, crap, I guess I have to hate my black neighbor now".
Where do you get that I put the evil of 'world ending violence' on homosexuals? I'm just saying that homosexuals (if there is an identity) being in the closet is a far lesser evil than the potentially world-ending consequences of libertinism... which, just so you know, is not the fault of homosexuals, although the acceptance of homosexuality is part of it.
Great, then I'll not bother saying it ever again.
They had human rights. You probably mean that if homosexuality had been accepted. That possibly would have prevented this activism from coming into existence and becoming the never-ending pest that it is now. But I don't know how history would have progressed in that case. There are very few examples of advanced societies that were fine with homosexuality, and no, ancient Greece is not an example.
He agrees with WHAT? That he sucks a lot of white dicks? Shame on you.
Well, yeah - everyone was. Same reason you use to dismiss all the 'scientists' or natural philosophers who were religious. But of course, they didn't get it from their religion, they got it from Galen. How you try to pin this on religion is beyond me.
If you call what you have in the US religion. And who exactly is pushing 'pregnant men'? Is it the religiously devout? No, it's people with no religion.
They were not 'mistakes', they were human universals. Like slavery. In fact, it was devout Christians who championed the abolition of slavery, and who unlike the humorists, did so based on their religion. As for the mistakes of modernity, they are not human universals. They are modern inventions. It is very hard to try to excuse them in any way.
How many people in the Middle Ages committed suicide because they were, in your words, gay? All this never happened. But then you use it as an excuse to push your agenda. Maybe there will be few to no 'gay people' if society discourages it enough. Have you ever thought of that? 20% of young Americans now identify with that rainbow cult, compared to less than 1% of oldtimers. As for people who do have an inclination towards homoesxuality, that's their cross to bear.
This is not necessarily my opinion, but you are provoking me to play devil's advocate.
Never said it sucked.
Not at all. Correlation is not causation, after all. There may be another cause for the total insanity we're facing than the 'decline of religion'. Or it may be that both decline of religion and the spread of insanity have a separate cause. I suspect that it has something to do with the fall of religion, and you have done not much to allay my fear.
The standard for whether religion is good is not whether most religious people are good by your arbitrary standards. It's whether they are better than they otherwise would be. Which is why "but people in the past were BAAAAD" rings hollow.
I don't, you do. The reason you think that people are equal regardless of race, is because of your residual Christian values. Christians were never racist against Jews. Jews were not considered a race before modern times - it was religious bias. You should have cited the KKK and other faux Christians who were racist against blacks, that's a better example. But obviously, that was racists trying to read their racism in the Bible than people reading the Bible and saying "oh, crap, I guess I have to hate my black neighbor now".