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posted 1 year ago by Lethn 1 year ago by Lethn +13 / -9
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– dbomb 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Starcraft, red alert 2 and warcraft 3 all have the same average match length of around 15 minutes. It's not slower than the other games especially when level 6 abilities level entire armies and bases in one cast.

Calling other people trolls when you write a bait post that reads like you don't even want to play the game isn't exactly going to make you look good. It's a hero centric game, I try to point that out but you'd rather pretend you know the game when your complains like having trouble with night elves or possession suggests you didn't try to use heroes all that much.

I have to agree with the first option you suggested in your post. You probably don't like this style of RTS and you really ought not to play games that rely on hero units with armies almost exclusively being buffers for the hero units. If you hate that, and given that about 5 out of your 6 complaints involve the army vs hero dynamic you really do, its better to just avoid these style of games entirely.

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– dbomb 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

You literally posted zero data on how long it takes units to kill each other.

https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Medium_Tank_(Tiberian_Dawn)

A medium tank in tib dawn has 400 hp and does 30 damage and it takes 50 in-game frames to reload its shot (i.e at the slowest speed setting). This would be one attack every 3 seconds at the average speed setting so 10 dmg per second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZt-bO3_csU You can see it takes 3 seconds for the medium tank fire and it takes an advanced unit like the mammoth tank 20 seconds to kill a tank (unless you play at super speed which most people don't)

This means it would take 2/3 of a minute for 2 tanks to kill each other assuming perfect accuracy (which is rarely the case if the tanks are moving).

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Footman_(Warcraft_III)#Classic The lowly footman in WC3 has 420 blaze it hp. Does 12.5 dmg every 1.35 seconds. And has two armor which grants 10% damage reduction. Meaning he does 11.25 dmg (this is most likely wrong because I haven't factored damage vs armor multipliers).

https://warcraft3.info/articles/208/overview-of-armor-and-damage-reduction This means two footman would take 36.5 seconds to kill each other in a duel. Which is faster! than C&C.

This isn't even getting to the fact you're supposed to interrupt fights with heroes some of which like Archmage can cast AOE spells that do 50 dmg per second and last for 10 seconds (500 dmg) which is enough to instantly melt 6 footmen per cast every 10 seconds.

The matches end at the exact same time frames because the time to kill is roughly the same. The only one trolling here is you lol.

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– dbomb 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Okay knock it off with the hostility. It's obviously not helping you. If you hate WC3 for long times to kill then you hate lot of RTS games then. Case and point going berserk for just mentioning Tiberian dawn. Pro-tip: PUT "I'm comparing it to RED ALERT 2" in your OP then. It's not my job to mind read or put up with your aggressive stupidity.

https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Grizzly_Battle_Tank 300 hp. 55 damage still 3 seconds to fire. 16 seconds for a grizzly to kill another grizzly.

So basically half the time to kill for regular units but an archmage can still kill 6 dudes of much higher health in 10 seconds or less. Let's not even talk about Blade master who can kill everything in 7 seconds or less with his lvl 6 skill.

And this isn't getting into the fact that if you are at this point you're basically just saying you don't like WC3 because its not RA2 or starcraft. I hate blizzard RTS games for damaging the genre but I don't hate games for shallow reasons. If you don't actually appreciate RTS and demand the ADHD experience then your post is kinda pointless.

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