“What would be considered”. Sorry
I help out with the youth group at church and one of the students is in the 10th grade and he is pretty retro (loves movies and tv shows from the 80s and 90s). He used to be a big Star Wars fan and lost interest due to "disney making it a princess product" as he puts it. He was asking me the other day how did all this happen or when did it start, and I couldn't pinpoint an exact person who started this but had some ideas.
What did start it all? I know Ghostbusters 2016 seems to be the first movie to actively be made to piss off fans (when the original director was trying to do Ghostbusters 3 and they screwed him over). With Star Wars, if they wanted to appeal to actual women who were fans they could've used Jaina Solo or Mara Jade.
Was it in gaming? I remember when gaming magazines seemed to have constant articles about women in gaming or about the "abuse" they received online as if they have never heard the language you hear where guys get together and hang out.
Comic books? I mean they literally made comics of women sitting around the table discussing feelings and as Eric July said "modern comics are made for 14 year old girls on tumblr who don't read comics"
So honestly who is patient zero or who is to blame?
Subreddits like men drawing women and feminists in general need to be kicked out of all hobbies. " You can't draw sexy women that is objectification!" Lol suck my dick. Funny how feminists have literal years of discourse of how nerds are sexist and evil for liking fake boobs, and that said fake boobs in fucking video games is a factor that causes sexual assault and women being objectified irl, meanwhile Chad ( whose knowledge of gaming amounts to Fifa and cod) is the one who is actually treating real women like pieces of meat left and right. Trust me, the type of guys that actually do assault and hurt real women aren't the type of guys to play guilty Gear and Senran kagura. I honestly will never take these cunts seriously as long as they defend women sexualizing themselves immensely on social media and onlyfans, but sexy women in video games are degrading and cause objectification of women because they're drawn and designed by men to appeal to other men. And yes, that is a real argument they make as to why Cardi b is "empowering" but tits in a game is a literal hate crime against women ("real women choose to be sexy but fictional women can't consent so it's just made by men for other men!"). Basically, sexualization ( which I thought was inherently degrading to women and gives men a bad societal image of women) is okay once a woman is doing it and commercializing off it.
Don’t forget romance novel covers
"Muh romance novels aren't mainstream, and don't have the same cultural significance and impact on people as video games do" as it's one of the best selling book genres ( and what a surprise it's mostly women who consume them!). And it's funny too because I read that actually 14% of romance novel readers are male (which is probably the same percentage of women who seriously play video games like men do and not candy crush), and yet no man is advocating for men in romance novels to be less sexualized for the female audience. And if you ever read those books, you should never let women tell you that men's fantasies are degrading and gross. The shit that goes on in women's smut books is something else lol
I’ve read some and you are right. I remember when 50 shades came out I was in a majority female call center and I read them out of curiosity. Needless to say if a book like that was made to appeal to males there would be screeching. I have no problem marketing romance novels to women. I just wish stuff made for guys could be marketed to guys
And that movie made a shit ton at the box office because of chicks lol. And I love this famous internet quote