“What would be considered”. Sorry
I help out with the youth group at church and one of the students is in the 10th grade and he is pretty retro (loves movies and tv shows from the 80s and 90s). He used to be a big Star Wars fan and lost interest due to "disney making it a princess product" as he puts it. He was asking me the other day how did all this happen or when did it start, and I couldn't pinpoint an exact person who started this but had some ideas.
What did start it all? I know Ghostbusters 2016 seems to be the first movie to actively be made to piss off fans (when the original director was trying to do Ghostbusters 3 and they screwed him over). With Star Wars, if they wanted to appeal to actual women who were fans they could've used Jaina Solo or Mara Jade.
Was it in gaming? I remember when gaming magazines seemed to have constant articles about women in gaming or about the "abuse" they received online as if they have never heard the language you hear where guys get together and hang out.
Comic books? I mean they literally made comics of women sitting around the table discussing feelings and as Eric July said "modern comics are made for 14 year old girls on tumblr who don't read comics"
So honestly who is patient zero or who is to blame?
Wut
The argument is Look at clint eastwood or arnie, would he ever cry or be emotional? No. Or on the few times he did, it was intended to be very rare and very impactful, to show how utterly broken they were by the events. A few tears at a funeral, max. More likely they drown themselves in some booze at the pub and punch someone though.
Die hard is still manly by 2023 standards, but there is a definite shift away from stoicism and remaining cool, towards displays of emotion and crying. He's less manly. It's a shift
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/bruce-willis-john-mcclane-under-siege-coolest-man-on-earth-1551833
And this has been commented on before. You can see him being praised for showing that action heroes can be emotional.
" Bruce Willis as John McClane showed that you could cry, whine, feel pain and still be the coolest man on Earth NEWSLETTER (£)It seems absurd now that a guy thinking he should have been more supportive of his wife would be groundbreaking. But it was"
Compare it to action movies that came before it and yes, it's going from a 0/10 to a 2/10 feminine. We just struggle to see it when everything released is now 9-12/10
I’ll have to look up that episode
I need to rewatch. I don’t remember that. I do remember it is where Carl Winslow established his “friendly cop” role. Lol
He shot a kid? Or is that a head canon thing? He is one of my favorite TV dads. After the GOAT Ward Cleaver of course. I actually enjoyed those recent progressive commercials with him
The argument is look at clint eastwood or arnie, would he ever cry or be emotional? No. Or on the few times he did, it was intended to be very rare and very impactful, to show how utterly broken they were by the events. A few tears at a funeral, max. More likely they drown themselves in some booze at the pub and punch someone though.
Die hard is still manly by 2023 standards, but there is a definite shift away from stoicism and remaining cool, towards displays of emotion and crying. He's less manly. It's a shift
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/bruce-willis-john-mcclane-under-siege-coolest-man-on-earth-1551833
And this has been commented on before. You can see him being praised for showing that action heroes can be emotional.
" Bruce Willis as John McClane showed that you could cry, whine, feel pain and still be the coolest man on Earth NEWSLETTER (£)It seems absurd now that a guy thinking he should have been more supportive of his wife would be groundbreaking. But it was"
Compare it to action movies that came before it and yes, it's going from a 0/10 to a 2/10 feminine. We just struggle to see it when everything released is now 9-12/10
refresh and stop in quick succession still gets you past 50% of paywalls
https://gamerant.com/die-hard-john-mcclane-fresh-action-hero/
It's everywhere. Another recent one and one from 10 years back. Search for 'john MacClare emotional' or something brings a tonne up. Gunna have to sort through to find in amongst all the articles about bruce willis's emotions regarding his PPA, but this is at least a widely discussed idea.
https://www.vulture.com/2013/02/die-hards-john-mcclane-everyman-to-superman.html
Is it revisionist? I don't think so. There's something to it and they're pointing to something that is different between die hard and other movies of the same or earlier eras. Is it just a different style? Is it a reflection of an existing trend rather than the catalyst? Perhaps so. But I do agree that there is a difference. It's just hard to see from here in 2023 in a sea of marvel slop.