I see hazing as better, assuming we're not talking about the extreme "you could actually die doing this" hazing that probably wasn't as common as the media likes to pretend. A hazing ritual is sort of like a test of bravery and group loyalty, and both of those things are important masculine traits. Ergo, to join a fraternity or other male club, hazing is appropriate—or at least defensible—as long as you don't go overboard. I don't think it's coincidental that we have so many soyboys after spending decades systematically removing all sorts of tests of traditional masculinity in the guise of safety or inclusion.
Panty raids, on the other hand, earn my objection on a public degeneracy level. I'm not going to go around saying "this is rape and sexual assault" like a shrieking feminist detractor Obviously if the women are really resisting it or upset by it it's bad, but my guess is that in any cases where panty raids actually happened, the female "victims" were less than completely upset by the action. My issue is less on the "all women are poor defenseless waifs" level and more on the "ritualizing the theft of underwear is formalization of perversion, regardless of the victim and the offender's sex."
I don't really see either as monstrous, but if I had to pick one I'm more willing to defend, hazing is definitely the winner.
Eh, I think there’s a lot worse things to happen at college, such as hazing…
I really don’t see panty raids as that terrible, for the most part. Pretty harmless in most (though not all) cases.
So… Not sure I fully agree, tbh.
I’m not arguing it was some “moral good”, but I also entirely disagree that they were some terrible thing, as this article is making out.
Let (college age) kids be kids, tbh. 🤷🏻♂️
I see hazing as better, assuming we're not talking about the extreme "you could actually die doing this" hazing that probably wasn't as common as the media likes to pretend. A hazing ritual is sort of like a test of bravery and group loyalty, and both of those things are important masculine traits. Ergo, to join a fraternity or other male club, hazing is appropriate—or at least defensible—as long as you don't go overboard. I don't think it's coincidental that we have so many soyboys after spending decades systematically removing all sorts of tests of traditional masculinity in the guise of safety or inclusion.
Panty raids, on the other hand, earn my objection on a public degeneracy level. I'm not going to go around saying "this is rape and sexual assault" like a shrieking feminist detractor Obviously if the women are really resisting it or upset by it it's bad, but my guess is that in any cases where panty raids actually happened, the female "victims" were less than completely upset by the action. My issue is less on the "all women are poor defenseless waifs" level and more on the "ritualizing the theft of underwear is formalization of perversion, regardless of the victim and the offender's sex."
I don't really see either as monstrous, but if I had to pick one I'm more willing to defend, hazing is definitely the winner.