This is worse in some industries (academia. Academia is fucked), and I hear it is even worse in the US, but my god is this ever frustrating…
It really shows you how low people think of you, when you’ve worked with them for some time/think they know you moderately well, and then you ask them for a reference, and they either flat out ignore you, or claim not to even know you “well enough”… 😔
Teachers (well, lecturers, tutors, et al) are particularly bad for this - “Oh, I worked with you on and off for a year. Soz lol, still don’t know you from a bar of soap.”
Look, I get it - it takes a degree of effort, and no one wants to be held accountable for “vouching” for someone else anymore, but fuck, everything requires them - Grad School, jobs, internships, everything.
If no one is willing to (legitimately) provide something so basic, how the fuck is anyone expected to even take that next career step??
This seems much, much worse than when I was last in this position (asking for academic references), 8 years ago, too…
Didn’t think we had slid that much, as a society, in that time, but… Yeah. 😔
Stupidly hard to work around, FML.
In Canada there are a lot of companies that do not give out references, as policy.
Asking for references is pointless anyway; either the person is at the company, and recruiters can ask them directly, or they're unknown and trivially easy to fake.
Just laziness on the part of HR.
Ah, see, this is a slightly different thing...
This is a personal letter of reference. I don't need it to be on corporate letterhead. Hell, I don't need it to be "sanctioned" by the respective companies/organisations at all. I just need some fucker, who has at some point "supervised" or "managed" me, to answer some specific questions about my ability to work, how well I work in groups, etc...
Which it sounds like, in your experience, it might be even more difficult to get, in the US. Eugh...
It's extremely painful, trying to get anyone to do this, even here, let me tell you that much...
Fair. I just wish people weren't such dicks about it, honestly.
Like, "Sorry, I just don't have time at the moment" or "Sorry, but I don't feel comfortable doing that" is much better than "Nah, I have a family now. Get stuffed" or "I never knew you as well as you seemed to think I did, and you were a shit student anyway."
Like fuck, tact works both ways, doesn't it??
And those were the ones who bothered to reply. I hate to think what the ones who ignored me completely would say, if they could be stuffed, lol...
People suck, ha.