sex should be classified as 2 consulting adults, getting each other off! because, their are 2 variations of what you classified as sex. what if a man uses a condom, or a woman uses plan b? does it still "technically" count as sex? what if a man intentionally mutilates himself? (vasectomy) would that be counted as sex? or a woman getting her tubes tied?
By that logic, mutual masturbation or even cybersex would be counted as sex proper, which seems absurd to me.
like come on man, stop trying to draw a line between hetero sex, and gay sex, their both the same. except 1 produces life...
Only one, as you say, fulfills the final cause of sex, which is to produce life. And you can cite condoms, but the fact is that sex between a man and a woman can in principle create life. 'Sex' between two men never can.
And note that I never even argued for this position. I just said that a good case can be made for it, and I still do.
waste your time only counting sex if it produces life. but wanna know what else produces life... rape!
Eh yeah, rape that can produce life is unquestionably sex.
By that logic, mutual masturbation or even cybersex would be counted as sex proper, which seems absurd to me.
Only one, as you say, fulfills the final cause of sex, which is to produce life. And you can cite condoms, but the fact is that sex between a man and a woman can in principle create life. 'Sex' between two men never can.
And note that I never even argued for this position. I just said that a good case can be made for it, and I still do.
Eh yeah, rape that can produce life is unquestionably sex.