There was this post by u/GeneralBoobs which was pretty highly upvoted (with no downvotes):
The jew is the leader, the army is literal nazis. If their grifter leader wasn't getting them money and weapons, he'd be dead.
I wonder about you in general, but I also answered him personally:
If he was a traitor to the nation, yes, of course the nationalists would depose him.
Which is very ironic since Putin believed how they would instantly depose Z out of their great love of Russia and desire to surrender. Or that he would just flee, as offered by the West as Russians were driving straight on Kyiv from 2 countries, and which he refused (just like Stalin didn't flee Moscow after some deliberation outside a train waiting for him, and the invaders were then repelled on the outskirts of Moscow just like they did in the suburbs of Kyiv, and a similar story with Izetbegovic in Sarajevo but the city center already, on the other hand Chiang did flee from Nanking and then it fell immediately, resulting in his main army and a lot of civs being captured and slaughtered practically without resistance - Warsaw was kind midway, as the national government fled the city and the country and the situation was hopeless, but the mayor remained to the end and led the defense even as "everyone" wanted to surrender: https://weekly.tvp.pl/63110549/everyone-was-in-favour-of-the-capitulation-of-warsaw-just-not-starzynski and the Germans executed him after the city fell).
Now, what would he need to do for you to not consider him a "grifter"?
I'm also wondering about your strong dislike of, to cite the thread title, "yellow and blue nazis". Ukraine is the only country in the world full of completely open white nationalists who are celebrated and in positions of power, and yet you hate it with a passion, despite this very here place being full of (failed) white nationalists in the countries like America where you are utterly despised by the general population and are being beaten and humiliated instead of being hailed by the crowds as "heroes" in the fight against commies and non-whites while marching in their columns with flags and torches.
Is it an envy from you guys, or just simply contrarianism above all?
The TVP (public TV, nationalist-government controlled) article that I posted has a link to a broken-English article titled "Is honor more important than peace? Would “we have grazed cows for the Germans on the Ural”, had it not been for Józef Beck?". It's about an option of us having been allied with the Nazis against the Bolsheviks and conquering Russia together, in exchange for Danzig and an Autobahn corridor to Prussia (and political-military independence). Quite some people today think we should have done this.
Maybe so.
Yeah, I wonder. I don't think GeneralBoobs is a white nationalist, but I have also seen actual white nationalists be anti-Ukraine. They probably think (correctly) that the white nationalists are used as cannon fodder while their sacrifices go towards establishing globalist hegemony in Ukraine.
You call it contrarianism, I call it common sense. The regime supports Ukraine (because it controls Ukraine). So I don't. That would be enough. But Ukraine is also a corrupt, puppet non-country, that has failed miserably for its people over the past 30 years. The economy is a miserable failure. It has been the aggressor, using cluster munitions against its own people. "Democratically" elected presidents have to flee for their lives. So. It was about time that the territory came home. Kharkov, Odessa and Kiev are Russian. Lwow and environs can be a pro-Russian buffer state.
Russia is also a corrupt country. But at least its people are doing better than Ukraine, and the regime does not have control there. So that's something.
Why won't you ever talk in this manner about these "own people" (who didn't consider themselves Ukraine's "own people") as aggresors using cluster munitions against Ukraine? Including their bombardments of the "Russian" cities that you just listed, killing whom they did do call the "own people".
It wasn't just artillerymen (and later pilots) from Russia doing that. It was also the separatists themselves, just armed by Russia with their Grads and Tornados to bombard the Donetsk suburbs and other cities, towns and villages.
I see you didn't listen Mariupol. Maybe because it doesn't really exist much anymore. While some other Donbas cities cities like Popasna now don't exist at all. Back when Russia was firing an average of 50,000 shells and rockets daily in early summer, one of the main targets was Popasna. There is no Popasna today.
Poroshenko didn't "flee for his life". When his cavalcade was attacked by the Literal Nazis, his bodyguards got beaten but as for him they only jumped on his car's hood. And he later returned (in January 2021), to be tried for treason, which didn't took place for obvious reasons and so now he leads his own militia against the regime (the Putin regime).
Neither did the Kurds consider themselves Iraqis, but that hasn't stopped the Americans from claiming that Saddam Hussein "gassed his own people". Which he did, with their aid.
If the rebels used cluster munitions, I condemn that. What do you want me to say?
Screw them too, if true.
This may shock you, but my attitude is not "war crimes are good if they are committed by my allies", like it is for the Americans. Also terrorism is good when they do it, like Nord Stream.
Because it's already in Russian hands.
I will say this though: Ukrainians have been claiming tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Mariupol alone. And yet when claiming civilian casualties for the entire conflict, it was suddenly a lot lower than that. Turns out, you can't really trust the people who claimed that the rocket that landed in Poland was Russian, trying to start World War III, to tell the truth.
Why were they shelling a town to begin with? Was the other side using it as a shield as with Mariupol?
I meant Yanukovic. You know, the "corrupt but 'democratically' elected" president.
That said, I find the charges against Poroshenko to be dubious at best. Guy ran on a peace platform, then terrorized the people of the Donbas for four years, and we're supposed to believe that he was super secretly in league with them?
Poroshenko run as a hardliner to begin an "Anti-Terrorist Operation" (Soviet term, also used by Russia for Chechnya) in what soon became the "ATO Zone". It was his program.
You might be mistaking him with Z, who run on the promise to end the war, and practically did end the fighting (as little as it was after 2015) until 2020, just not formally. Everyone not just in the world but on both sides largely forgot about until the Russian "exercises" began in late 2021.
It was a similar frozen conflict like this in Nagorno Karabakh until the Azeri offensive in 2020 that crushed the Armenians. Before that, and that's since the early 1990s, it was just occasional sniping and at most mortaring of each other's trenches. (Not counting an international incident Azeri officer axe-murdering an Armenian one in a NATO facility in Hungary.)
Civilian casualties during 2018-2022 were still almost weekly, but almost exclusively from the old mines and unexploded munitions.
Even the separatist leaders have long stopped murdering each other (or Moscow purging them, the latter according to Strelkov, who says he left because of that and in advance).
There was a peace. In our time.
Interesting, I wasn't confusing him with Vladimir Zelensky, but just had stuff confused. I guess they did get tired after 4 years of his nonsense, since he did run as a hardliner in 2019.
Yes, but one side was preparing a massive offensive to overrun the eastern regions and possibly the Crimea as well. It was just not sustainable. Unless you think that Russia would have been better off waiting until 2032.
As long as there are humans, there will never be peace.