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Yet we're at the point where capitalists are buying out entire neighborhoods and renting them out to people. Fun that. oh, right "socialism."

Yes, follow the money.

liberalism does away with the state as it should exist, and replaces it with managerialism where in the jesters serve $$$.

Authoritarianism creates a managerial state run by criminals and cowards. Liberalism actually tries to remove bureaucracy by limiting the power of the state entirely.

The fundamental issue is that everything since has only been worse, not better,

You don't know what you're talking about because you don't understand why the Thirty Years War caused the Age of Enlightenment, follies and all. If you did know, you wouldn't make such a silly argument.

That anything opposing it is evil, and that only solution is dictatorship of bourgeois with mass-scale manipulation, exploitation, and suffering of populace, mental and otherwise.

Rousseau is explicitly illiberal.

That's because you're a lib and thus a leftist

Liberalism literally pre-dates Leftism.

egoism and liberalism go hand in hand.

Opposing slavery is not Egoism.

Being able to watch the political theater and being told you have influence over it doesn't actually manifest in influence over it.

Yes, yes, Italian Elite Theory. In reality, people do have power over incentives and pressures. A republican system that guarantees property rights conflicts with that state power to force political forces to account. Even under shit Democratic systems, the mob still has to be placated. Under an authoritarian regime, they would never have any influence at all, so you and Spangler are just asserting the conclusion and working backwards to justify your premise. Under the world that Spangler is arguing for, the elites would never have any kind of accountability mechanism at all, nor should they. The state is the God of the people and the state must be immune from the consequences of their decisions because that makes the state responsible.

The whole argument behind a Sovereign falls flat because it is hardly ever true that any Sovereign perceives his people as subjects to be cared for. Instead, they are typically just as ruthless, uncaring, and cynical as any Leftist. It's why the King of England had to be executed: treason against his own people. That's what happens when you invade your own country with a foreign army and burn your own subjects homes.

None the less, Spangler is so desperate for his slavery that he would prefer being burned alive in his farm house by foreigners so long as there was a guy with a crown ordering it.

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