Noticing Patterns
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Well... They are. They're estimates from book keeping records, that are partly destroyed, they're estimates from "best guess attributions" based on mass graves.
Being honest that they're estimates, does not make it null and void. It's not an either or statement, like you're trying to imply so stop being disingenuous.
As for after the fact and never stops going up... Your own damn sources.. again prove this.
Year on year the number goes up according to pew research. And is done so after the fact when they "recount".
Do you actually ever bother to read your own citations or do you just rely on Google and the first four links?
All praise the gospel. No one would ever lie about a figure to make it seem worse than it actually is for political clout or gain... Nope. Not at all.
Oh enjoy a first link Google search. Seeing as that's your modus.
https://education.holodomor.ca/understanding-holodomor-loss-numbers/.
They're guesstimates. Most of which are predicated on picking a number then making "facts meet".. despite no need to do so.
So basically you did not read the source properly, is getting hung up on one tiny little word. Refuse to address your point that it your own damn excuse can also easily use the same against holodomor and other communist genocide.
Here, same system you are complain about the Holocaust.
Therefore, the Holodomor numbers are invalid in your opinion.
What an absolute failure.
Strawman. You haven't read the link at all or you cherry picked past this nugget:.
"Evidence is provided on the misleading origin of the 7 million estimate and problems with the different attempts to justify it. The choice is between a figure based on research that ignores universally accepted scholarly principles and can be easily discredited due to its unrealistic implications, and a figure based on research conducted according to Western scientific standards".
The sources for the 7million guess?
A newspaper and a "report" from an ambassador type from Germany, not even the Ukraine itself.
"two sources in support of the 7 million figure: a) estimates by German diplomats in Ukraine in the 1930s and an article by the Ukrainian agronomist-statistician S. Sosnovyj published in the Kharkiv newspaper Nova Ukraina in 1942 and reprinted in the diaspora newspaper Ukrayinski Visti in 1950.".
(Hint that agronomist statician? That's a person who studies farming...they cite a farmer for death tolls)
Questioning the numbers because they're are guestimates is not invalidating or denying . That "tiny" little word changes everything, especially when abusers like you cite a number as fact.. when it's not.
You need to take a long hard look at yourself and stop trying to abuse people with guilt over something they're not responsible for because you can't let it go.
Unless you are admitting that being Jewish now is solely down to "finding a true death toll" and none of the other heritage stuff.
The same behaviour comes from black people who only have the slavery aspect as their identity.
At which point the goal of asserting guesses as fact, is only done to enable a dagger to be hung over the world, "You can't chastise or disagree with us because of this." I pity you sir. Now kindly, feck off.
Then provide the same evidence that the 6 million is false. Because I provided reliable evidence that they are true. And these are all using the same exact principles as holodomor.
Either holodomor numbers are wrong and so are the holocaust or they are both true. You can't have it both ways.
They're both wrong. I never tried to have it both ways.
This is why you need to stop obsessing over the number of deaths and accept it as a general atrocity. The only reason to be so fervent about having the "most" deaths as a genocide is some fucked up braggadocio or guilt tripping.
It was a shitty event. There have been hundreds like it. Does it really matter if it was 4 million, 6, or 9?
And there's only one group of people who keep trying to bring up the number as a fact and keep trying to ever increase it.