Is that why places like NY and Illinois have significantly higher crime rates than places with more free gun laws?
They have higher violent crime rates because they have more blacks, and the gun laws are ineffective because the country is already flooded with guns.
The UK is not flooded with guns, and so the gun laws are actually effective.
They are SO effective, that murders are primarily committed with knives. More murders in the UK are committed with bare hands than with guns. No, I am not joking.
Having a society that is content with not having any guns is effective. Having strict border security that can be used to enforce these guns laws is effective.
If gun laws were effective, Illinois and New York would not be flooded with gun crime. However, since they don't have the latter (allowing guns to come in from other states) and don't have the former, or at least are surrounded by states that really don't have the former, gun crime runs rampant.
The laws themselves are only one piece of the puzzle. Individual states and cities having strict gun laws is the stupidest thing. They're not "setting an example" for others, especially when the numbers just show that they do not work and sets an example of what not to do. We know plain as day that gun laws by individual states and cities do not work, and the leftists will be the quickest to explain exactly why they don't work. So why would they support them? Why would they support taking away freedom from residents of a certain state or city when they know that that particular action applied that particular way will be ineffective? It is bizarre.
This puts aside all the other obvious issues: reducing gun crime really just changes how crime occurs. Would you rather be shot or stabbed? It's a whole lot of effort and reduces freedom, meaning imprisoning otherwise innocent people, for a society that gets splashed with acid instead of shot with lead. Woohoo. Additionally, the whole government takeover thing when the citizens are disarmed.
Not in the US they're not, no. They can't be, because there are simply too many guns already in circulation. It would take over a decade, if not multiple decades, to change that fact.
reducing gun crime really just changes how crime occurs
There is some truth in this - if you really want to kill someone, you'll find a way no matter what. But anything that makes it even a little bit more difficult reduces the likelihood that you'll take that option. It also reduces the chance of altercations that would normally be a brief fist fight that both parties walk away from, from turning into someone (or both of them) getting shot.
I don't expect non-leftist Americans to react well to being told this for the simple reason that it's ammo for the left.
It does. Quite observably.
What it does not do, is come anywhere close to eliminating it.
Is that why places like NY and Illinois have significantly higher crime rates than places with more free gun laws?
Oh wait, it's those places fault because of the nonexistent gun show loophole right?
They have higher violent crime rates because they have more blacks, and the gun laws are ineffective because the country is already flooded with guns.
The UK is not flooded with guns, and so the gun laws are actually effective.
They are SO effective, that murders are primarily committed with knives. More murders in the UK are committed with bare hands than with guns. No, I am not joking.
Compare this to the USA. It's like living on a different planet when it comes to violent crime.
I'm saying this a UK citizen and US greencard holder.
Gun laws are not effective at reducing gun crime.
Having a society that is content with not having any guns is effective. Having strict border security that can be used to enforce these guns laws is effective.
If gun laws were effective, Illinois and New York would not be flooded with gun crime. However, since they don't have the latter (allowing guns to come in from other states) and don't have the former, or at least are surrounded by states that really don't have the former, gun crime runs rampant.
The laws themselves are only one piece of the puzzle. Individual states and cities having strict gun laws is the stupidest thing. They're not "setting an example" for others, especially when the numbers just show that they do not work and sets an example of what not to do. We know plain as day that gun laws by individual states and cities do not work, and the leftists will be the quickest to explain exactly why they don't work. So why would they support them? Why would they support taking away freedom from residents of a certain state or city when they know that that particular action applied that particular way will be ineffective? It is bizarre.
This puts aside all the other obvious issues: reducing gun crime really just changes how crime occurs. Would you rather be shot or stabbed? It's a whole lot of effort and reduces freedom, meaning imprisoning otherwise innocent people, for a society that gets splashed with acid instead of shot with lead. Woohoo. Additionally, the whole government takeover thing when the citizens are disarmed.
Not in the US they're not, no. They can't be, because there are simply too many guns already in circulation. It would take over a decade, if not multiple decades, to change that fact.
There is some truth in this - if you really want to kill someone, you'll find a way no matter what. But anything that makes it even a little bit more difficult reduces the likelihood that you'll take that option. It also reduces the chance of altercations that would normally be a brief fist fight that both parties walk away from, from turning into someone (or both of them) getting shot.
I don't expect non-leftist Americans to react well to being told this for the simple reason that it's ammo for the left.