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posted ago by AbleistSL ago by AbleistSL +17 / -0

I found this regressive leftist propaganda thread called "15 Bad Faith Arguments made Against the Use of Puberty Blockers for Trans Adolescents", and everything said was either irrelevant or lies and this is a list of responses to every point

#1 “They are new and untested”: They’ve been used since 1988 for Trans adolescents, with follow up studies for 20 years. We've summarised over 30 academic papers: https://archive.is/GQbqI

  1. Claims that your enemies do not know how old the procedure is are lies, everything else is irrelevant.

#2 “Kids are too young to have Puberty Blockers”: They are only used with Trans Adolescents from the start of puberty to block puberty & give 'thinking time'. There’s no moral panic in their use for precocious puberty at a much younger age.

  1. Acknowledges absolutely nothing and is therefore a bad faith argument.

#3 “They are powerful cancer drugs”: They are used to stop testosterone and oestrogen. This can be useful to stop puberty, or also can be useful when certain cancers are exacerbated by testosterone or oestrogen. Calling them a "cancer drug" is bad faith & misleading scaremongering

  1. We do not care they are used in some cancer treatments as several other drugs are used for various purposes, claiming otherwise is a lie.

#4 “They are irreversible”: False. They're medically & physically reversible. If they're stopped, puberty continues. “What about psychology? If adolescents have blockers, they can’t turn back time to have never had them”. Well every action we take is irreversible. Bad faith.

  1. Blatantly lies about irreversibility as hormones have various physiological effects that cannot be legitimately fixed via surgery

#5 "They're used "off label". That means they're experimental": 75% of medicines in neonatal intensive care are "off-label". 25% of children's medicines in hospital are “off-label”, 10% medicines prescribed for children in the UK are off-label or unlicensed https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/199958/National_Service_Framework_for_Children_Young_People_and_Maternity_Services_-_Medicines_for_Children_and_Young_People.pdf

  1. Tons of drugs are used off label,

#6 “The existing evidence is not high quality”.: Sample sizes are small as very few trans adolescents have been treated to date. Want larger sample sizes? Then lower barriers to access. Dr's, adolescents & their families want the best standard of evidence possible.

  1. There is evidence now, and there are a ton of cases of wrongful transition that your shitty ideology is responsible for.

#7 “There's not been Randomised Control Trials”: A score of experts have time & again stated Randomised Control Trials are unethical & would unfeasible. Bad faith commentators 'require' a Blind RCT – as if trans adolescents wouldn’t notice progressing through puberty! Bad Faith.

  1. Irrelevant to discussion

#8 “Z Value Bone Density decreases when adolescents are on blockers”: "Z value Bone Density" compares bone density to expected age-based norms. Bone density rises as an effect of puberty. Those on puberty blockers will not have this rise at the same time as those not blocked, This means bone density compared to their non puberty blocked cis peers decreases (however their actual bone density continues to rise at a relatively slower rate). If puberty resumes (by stopping blockers or starting HRT), bone density increases at a higher rate.

  1. Lies, see 4.

#9 “We don’t know the impact on brain”: Bad faith. There are many many things we do not know about the human brain. Blockers have been studied for their impact on many different variables, kidney function (fine), well-being (it improves), mental health (it improves), Impact on gender dysphoria (stays same, HRT improves dysphoria). Blockers have even been studied for effect on Executive Functions (no negative impacts). There's much evidence of benefits & no evidence of harm. Medical decisions are made based on the current evidence.

  1. They're the one making the bad faith arguments as hormones are documented to affect psychology, also drugs will strain organs no mater what.

#10 “Do nothing until there is much more evidence”: Doing nothing is not a neutral decision. Puberty for trans adolescents causes significant harm. Puberty blockers are proven to be beneficial. Withholding beneficial medical care is not a value-neutral ethical decision. Bad Faith.

  1. Wrongful transition is worse, thus another bad faith argument by regressives.

#11 Use of Biased / fringe 'medical' sources: These include hate group designated 'American College of Pediatricians'. Former GIDS psychoanalysts (with no medical qualifications & an axe to grind). Niche studies on brain scans of sheep & blogs from Evangelical funded groups.

#12 Citing non-peer reviewed opinion pieces in "respected" journals. E.g. Employee of BMJ who also works for BBC using a BMJ blog as evidence for a BBC 'investigation'; Then hiring a colleague with no expertise in gender health to write a critical summary citing the same blog.

#13 Further signs of bad faith include: Failure to report the clear well-being benefits of timely blockers including avoidance of acute distress & pain, of adolescents not dropping out of school / failing in school, benefits to teens of learning, growing & enjoying adolescence.

#14 Yet more signs of bad faith include: Failure to state the global medical consensus which supports the use of puberty blockers for trans adolescents including the Endocrine Society, the American Academy of Paediatrics, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health.

#15 Failing to clarify if the preferred medical outcome for trans youth is denial of medical support & instead psychotherapy to "help them accept themselves as they are". This is conversion therapy. It causes immense harm. There is no place for it in modern medical practice.

11-15 is just the writer spewing propaganda about people ignoring/denying their junk science.

source: https://archive.is/cljrm