Pre-Ninja Edit: So originally I was going to make a post about this from scratch and then I remembered I already made a post about this in another thread so I'm really just going to copy and paste the text from there since it pretty much IS the post I'd make for this.

The included picture is something I currently see on Twitter and as previously done so I've made a few threads relating to things like this,

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12hkhpeIYV/homophobic-sexist-gaslighting-al/c/

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/11SK2bYe2T/vaccines-can-have-side-effects-b/c/

This current trending article from the FT, [Finance? 🤔] highlights the information gap the public likely has regarding the vaccine as well as the problems of the misinformation campaign various MSM outlets have been pushing for over the last year.

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In response to this vaccine discussion thread from 2 weeks ago: https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12jJZKgI0O/x/c/

Direct link to my post there: https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12jJZKgI0O/x/c/4JAfTvezpbv

Are vaccines bad? Generally no and most of us here probably have been vaccinated against something in the past. Vaccines that are given intense scrutiny when it comes to safety and side effects and a long testing phase are welcome in my body. The current batch of covid vaccines do not meet this bar for me.

Part of the problem surrounding the COVID vaccine is that many don't seem to understand what this vaccine does and does not do in addition to how vaccines in general can operate.

1. Some vaccines confer immunity to subsequent infections. Some don't.

2. Some vaccines confer an increased response time so the host body can more readily respond to future infections. But this isn't immunity and isn't guaranteed to work all the time in the first place.

3. Some vaccines don't even exist as I've posted a few times regarding things like Dengue which functions in a completely different way the general public would expect a virus to do in that your first infection can be completely asymptomatic and your second can be fatal.

• Additionally there is going to be a proportion of the vaccinated population that don't need it.

Why?

Because if the vaccine was working in ways described then anyone who contracted COVID in the last year+ already has the immune response in place from the previous infection since that's how many vaccines are designed to function in the first place. So anyone that has been confirmed to have COVID before who gets any of the vaccines is not only wasting resources because they don't need it but also buying into the political theatre that they NEED to get vaccinated or they won't be safe.

This is before even getting on to the point that the COVID vaccines don't confer immunity. They are described as lessening the severity of symptoms which can be itself a problem.

Again, why?

Because the vaccine doesn't stop people getting infected again. If it did then it wouldn't/shouldn't need described as 'lessening the severity of symptoms' since that intrinsically requires additional infections to occur as a mechanic.

'Lessened symptoms' itself is vague as it could mean that the actual symptoms experienced are not as bad as otherwise expected, so a mild pain instead of crippling to give a crude comparison, but it could also just mean that while the symptoms are not there everything else still is. So a vaccinated, symptomless individual is still infectious to others, which is what suggesting masks still be worn would mean as is claiming unvaccinated individuals increase the risk of strains evolving as they need to catch the virus in the first place from someone seeing as how it's not a spontaneous event.

That means those who are vaccinated are being turned into asymptomatic Typhoid Mary's that are still spreading the virus however going by Reddit and other social media you would think that once someone gets their second jab/full vaccination they can suddenly shed their mask and fears and no longer have to worry about anything happening to them after.

Well, except whatever side effects might lie ahead of them years down the line since this virus isn't even 2 years old, the vaccine isn't even 1 year old, and yet everyone is meant to put their faith in the every changing politics science that has now been shown to quite literally follow "Orange man bad",

https://notthebee.com/article/scientist-on-why-it-took-a-year-to-investigate-the-wuhan-lab-at-the-time-it-was-scarier-to-be-associated-with-trump-and-to-become-a-tool-for-racists

Regarding vaccines in general I made this post around 5 months ago in response to a Twitter headline/article and it goes over Theralizumab, Thalidomide, and Ebola, with some notes on Dengue by other users in the comments.

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/11SK2bYe2T/vaccines-can-have-side-effects-b/c/

tl;dr of the post is at the bottom and I'll copy here

• Theralizumab: Drug testing can go "catastrophic"ally wrong.

• Thalidomide: Just because a product is finished doesn't mean shit can't go wrong.

• Drug development: Sometimes problems need to hit home to actually get done but they still take a long time, even taking into consideration advances in medical research and science.

In summary,

COVID is still a very new disease. The vaccine[s] age is also something that should be questioned in addition to how many exceptions have been handed out by governments if/when side effects arise because of how little testing/time there has been to fully check what can go wrong over the long-term.

There is far, far too much politics going on for what should be a health issue. Yes health departments are tied to politics but having scientists literally admitting they were making decisions because of politics that had absolutely nothing to do with the health aspects shows how fundamentally broken those systems are and that those involved should be fired from their jobs, barred from any positions they can influence public opinion like this in the future, and if applicable stripped of their doctorates/medical licenses as happened with [former Dr.] Andrew Wakefield after his publishing of the fabricated MMR vaccine research.

In general I don't have a problem with vaccines seeing as how I've had to get several many people do not because of travel reasons that would bring me into contact with things like Yellow Fever, Japanese Encephalitis, and Heps A and B and I've been lucky enough not to contract anything that doesn't have a vaccine like Dengue. Getting these vaccines in the end was my choice as the reasons for travel was also my choice so the responsibility for exposing myself to the potential zoonoses was mine.

Most importantly however the vaccines and diseases in question weren't brand new.

• They weren't less than a year or two old the world didn't really know anything about.

• There wasn't a massive ongoing social and political discourse that would periodically descend into name calling and ad hominem attacks based on nothing but misinformation and tribalism.

That's why I take issue with what is going on with COVID. For too many it's another excuse for "them and us" virtue signaling on social media like including "2/2 vaccinated" in social media profiles or even worse getting tattoos done about it. It's literally self branding "I'm one of the good/smart/obedient" ones that is probably more accurately "I'm one of the overly eager gullible ones".

Combine every back and forth, every contradictory piece of advice, every moving of the goal posts, every direct attack on those questioning/criticizing either of the lockdown and vaccine procedures and I have zero "faith" in what is being done for something that has repeatedly been touted as the next coming apocalypse if not handled properly.