Platitude. Do you agree with me that a breeding war is pointless? You're the one advocating for it.
More like placation. I don't think you need a breeding war at all, but I'm trying to alleviate your fear which stems from your racial theory of history. If your whole schtick is demographics = destiny, that's still easy to fix starting with you.
A new mortgage is new debt... Homes don't sell for nearly as much if your neighborhood is going to shit, and not all these whites own homes.
You home will still be worth substantially more than what you bought it at. It's rare to ever see a home sold for a loss in general. But even in terms of purchasing power, the kind of white flight that we are talking about, is still a major net gain for whites.
A new mortgage isn't a new debt, not exactly. The way that things work now especially is that your mortgage debt is actually an investment vehicle itself. You can actually use the sale of one property to basically "cash out" the mortgage on the first property, and then open a new mortgage on a new property with whatever profits you would have made from the sale of the first house. If you stay with the same mortgage company, you can also get a very nice interest rate and improved line of credit.
As a fan of Austrian Economics, I'm not saying I like the scheme, but I understand how the scheme works. The debt won't actually break you, and will be useful in building purchasing power through credit. This is not a loosing proposition if you're smart and pay your bills.
White home owners leaving is what white flight means. They aren't talking about white renters.
It also breaks up communities, the bedrock of strong families. Strong families aren't built from barroom and Tindr hookups, you know.
Wrong, it's the other way around. Strong families are what builds strong communities. Strong communities can't make strong families, they can just offer minimal support to weak ones.
You're a real piece of work to try to spin white flight as beneficial to white people.
What, you think staying is more beneficial?
I trust that leaving was the most beneficial decision for them.
You have to look at this holistically.
I'm looking at it tactically, which is the perspective of the Left.
Your individualism nurtures narcissism, alienation, and consumerism.
Individualism begets responsibility which contradicts all three.
So you do not care about the flooding the America with third world immigrants?
I already told you that I oppose colonialism. Stop trying to strawman me into something I already told you I don't accept.
IQ, time preference, and likely even more cognitive abilities differ by race
They differ by culture.
take up good jobs ... The hyphenated Americans strongly identify with their racial/ethnic groups. None of them like white people or care about white people. Whites are the only fucking idiots trying to say, "we all bleed red, white, and blue!" and it's brazenly obvious, as evidenced by whites precipitous fall from grace over the last 50 years, that the failure to maintain our share of the population has been hurting.
More useless socialist protectionist rhetoric. If you want to shout [insert collective] lives matter, then make them matter to me. Earn my concern. You don't give a shit about my life, even though I'm white. Hell, you'd put a bullet in me for being a race traitor or some shit in a perfect world, just as a socialist would but a bullet in someone who wouldn't join the union.
Every single idiot of every race, religion, class, and creed, crying about how their particular group needs to be more cared for is exactly the same person that doesn't give a shit about anyone else, and is never going to amount to shit to actually improve the lives of the people around him because he's too busy whining.
Literally, ever single group crying the loudest about their group not being protected enough is destroying their group. Feminists crying for women to be more protected and making women eggless and crazy. Blacks screaming about a police genocide are burning their own communities down. Union men demanding labor protections have destroyed America's industrial core. Trans activists are promoting blowback.
Whites aren't trying to rally around white nationalism because it didn't do shit for them and still won't. You aren't helping whites or anyone else. You're just going to yell and scream, while bringing everyone down around you. The only thing you'll have to contribute is anger at some other idiot doing the same shit.
There are neighborhoods near me where the property values have been completely stagnant or even declining for the last 20 years
So leave sooner. It's a bad investment to stay. That's white flight. That's also why whites benefit when they chose to leave rather then stay in a declining community. That is obviously the best choice, it's why they made it.
Being chased from your old neighborhood by violent criminals is actually good for you.
As opposed to staying with the violent criminals? Yes.
If ISIS takes over your town, what's better: staying and being executed, or fleeing? Fleeing, obviously.
All that being said, that's not typical white flight. White flight is mostly just declining property values and then whites moving to wealthier suburbs with their mortgage investment vehicles. The neighborhood properly declines once they leave, not during it. The increase in crime spikes after they are gone, not before.
declining for the last 20 years or so, and those neighborhoods get worse in crime, worse in education, and pretty much every other way. You completely ignored renters, too. When it happened to us, we were renters. Instead of accumulating wealth, we had to spend money to move.
This isn't white flight. You're describing moving into an already declined community as a white family, and them moving out of it. If anything, you're describing failed gentrification.
We were lucky to survive at all.
And you somehow think leaving didn't benefit you? It sounds like it did.
You completely sidestepped the point.
I didn't sidestep the point, I said it's wrong. Communities don't make families. Individuals do. And those individuals and families make communities. You're right that Tindr isn't a good place for family development. That's a product. But more to your point: online communities are shit, and that's because there aren't good families to build them, and there aren't enough good individuals to build good families.
It all starts with the individuals and their conduct. Nothing changes without them first. You can't build a strong family or community with weak individuals. It doesn't matter what other options, products, or services are out there. Strong individuals, particularly men, won't use other services if they can fulfill their needs with building a community or family. The problem is that there are so many weak men that we all have to go through the hard process of becoming strong and building all of it back from scratch.
You want to save western civilization? Do so, it's your responsibility one person at a time.
Don't play dumb with me. I think maintaining a white majority is important.
And they are maintaining a white majority over there. I don't see what your complaint is.
You're literally defending one of the left's favorite policies, replacement immigration.
I'm not defending it, I'm telling you why it's a tactic.
I'm going to try and try to avoid quote replying because it's only going to get too hard to follow.
Most of your arguments about culture involve you not understanding that you don't just take giants abstract swaths of populations and then smooth out a trend and say no change has taken place. Different populations, stemming from different individuals, coming from, and living in, different environments are going to all have different cultures. You want to be reductionist to sculpt a narrative about race, but your reductionism is why your theories can't work, aren't accepted, and still own't be accepted.
What I call colonialism is when, typically corporations, seize control over small towns, sculpt the government to form a protection racket, and then import large swathes of labor to set up a corporate colony. Democratic governments have structured their own from of colonialism by using public housing and homeless trafficking to move populations to and from different regions for their own local political advantage.
White Flight, is by definition, white families leaving collapsing communities to benefit themselves. Yes some people who chose to not engage in white flight are going to be the ones who lose out if they can't improve the community on their own. That's how things work. You sell an investment if you think you are going to lose money. You don't hold unless you are sure that it's going to recover. This is one of the reasons why communities that experience riots, never recover. No one's going to take the enormous effort to recover a community who's government won't protect it and who's people don't give a shit. If you move into a community that already experienced white flight, you're buying the dip. You're hoping for a recovery, and I hope you're right, but don't complain if you're wrong. If you refuse to leave a community in decline, again, this is your problem. You're hoping it will recover, if you are wrong, it's time to sell. If you rented rather than purchased, you're much better off because you can leave far faster.
Protectionism; racial, economic, or otherwise; doesn't fucking help. It will not help anyone. The only appropriate response is to adapt as quickly as possible to new changes, threats, and pressures. Protectionism always tends to cause failure because a) it stifles the inevitable adaptation, and b) it exists only to secure power for those pushing the protection racket and will benefit no one else.
When Unions pushed tariffs, it hurt American consumers. When they demanded massive minimum wages, they drove up costs, centralized the industry, and promoted joblessness due to automation. When they demanded "fail labor practices", they invited socialists to govern the workings of the industry. When they demanded mandatory union membership, they destroyed the ability for people to find work in a way that suited them more than it did the union. The stronger the union got, the stronger the socialists got, the stronger the corporations got, the stronger the government got, the stronger the """captialists""" (because you are using the word wrong like a Socialist), got.
Right up until the whole fucking protection racket imploded and American manfuacturing damn near died, and the midwest was sent into a tail-spin from which it never recovered. Now workers and laborers are actively resisting unionization, with Leftists and Socialists spinning and reee-ing in confusion about why the working class would "vote against their own interests!" It's because they aren't. They just realized unions never worked in their own interest.
Your racial socialism works precisely the same way. You will claim to work on behalf of your race, which is a bold-faced lie. You will do nothing to actually help anyone, but you will promote your own power by turning to resentment and pushing for protectionism that will stifle all the people you claim to protect, leading to massive government over-reach and control, pushed (once again) by progressive racialists who will inject socialism into everything, and will promote balkanization of the country until the whole system fucking implodes on itself... which is exactly what happened with Jim Crow and is why the South isn't going back to racialism. White southerners realized they didn't need that shit because it never helped them and still won't. It's just another grift for some collectivist to pretend they aren't and individual so they can take someone else's money.
Which gets to your final point about individualism, you've got it exactly backwards. The expansion of socialist mass societies was a product of the final periods of the industrial revolution, and writers from the dawn of the 20th century correctly predicted the rise of totalitarian collectivism. However, that entire technological and economic order is done. The situation is now utterly reversing. The trend is towards individualism, not collectivism. This is due to both economic and technological factors. The entire old order system is ending and that's why the Fabians have no idea how to move forward. They can't see past their own "end of history".
More like placation. I don't think you need a breeding war at all, but I'm trying to alleviate your fear which stems from your racial theory of history. If your whole schtick is demographics = destiny, that's still easy to fix starting with you.
You home will still be worth substantially more than what you bought it at. It's rare to ever see a home sold for a loss in general. But even in terms of purchasing power, the kind of white flight that we are talking about, is still a major net gain for whites.
A new mortgage isn't a new debt, not exactly. The way that things work now especially is that your mortgage debt is actually an investment vehicle itself. You can actually use the sale of one property to basically "cash out" the mortgage on the first property, and then open a new mortgage on a new property with whatever profits you would have made from the sale of the first house. If you stay with the same mortgage company, you can also get a very nice interest rate and improved line of credit.
As a fan of Austrian Economics, I'm not saying I like the scheme, but I understand how the scheme works. The debt won't actually break you, and will be useful in building purchasing power through credit. This is not a loosing proposition if you're smart and pay your bills.
White home owners leaving is what white flight means. They aren't talking about white renters.
Wrong, it's the other way around. Strong families are what builds strong communities. Strong communities can't make strong families, they can just offer minimal support to weak ones.
What, you think staying is more beneficial?
I trust that leaving was the most beneficial decision for them.
I'm looking at it tactically, which is the perspective of the Left.
Individualism begets responsibility which contradicts all three.
I already told you that I oppose colonialism. Stop trying to strawman me into something I already told you I don't accept.
They differ by culture.
More useless socialist protectionist rhetoric. If you want to shout [insert collective] lives matter, then make them matter to me. Earn my concern. You don't give a shit about my life, even though I'm white. Hell, you'd put a bullet in me for being a race traitor or some shit in a perfect world, just as a socialist would but a bullet in someone who wouldn't join the union.
Every single idiot of every race, religion, class, and creed, crying about how their particular group needs to be more cared for is exactly the same person that doesn't give a shit about anyone else, and is never going to amount to shit to actually improve the lives of the people around him because he's too busy whining.
Literally, ever single group crying the loudest about their group not being protected enough is destroying their group. Feminists crying for women to be more protected and making women eggless and crazy. Blacks screaming about a police genocide are burning their own communities down. Union men demanding labor protections have destroyed America's industrial core. Trans activists are promoting blowback.
Whites aren't trying to rally around white nationalism because it didn't do shit for them and still won't. You aren't helping whites or anyone else. You're just going to yell and scream, while bringing everyone down around you. The only thing you'll have to contribute is anger at some other idiot doing the same shit.
So leave sooner. It's a bad investment to stay. That's white flight. That's also why whites benefit when they chose to leave rather then stay in a declining community. That is obviously the best choice, it's why they made it.
As opposed to staying with the violent criminals? Yes.
If ISIS takes over your town, what's better: staying and being executed, or fleeing? Fleeing, obviously.
All that being said, that's not typical white flight. White flight is mostly just declining property values and then whites moving to wealthier suburbs with their mortgage investment vehicles. The neighborhood properly declines once they leave, not during it. The increase in crime spikes after they are gone, not before.
This isn't white flight. You're describing moving into an already declined community as a white family, and them moving out of it. If anything, you're describing failed gentrification.
And you somehow think leaving didn't benefit you? It sounds like it did.
I didn't sidestep the point, I said it's wrong. Communities don't make families. Individuals do. And those individuals and families make communities. You're right that Tindr isn't a good place for family development. That's a product. But more to your point: online communities are shit, and that's because there aren't good families to build them, and there aren't enough good individuals to build good families.
It all starts with the individuals and their conduct. Nothing changes without them first. You can't build a strong family or community with weak individuals. It doesn't matter what other options, products, or services are out there. Strong individuals, particularly men, won't use other services if they can fulfill their needs with building a community or family. The problem is that there are so many weak men that we all have to go through the hard process of becoming strong and building all of it back from scratch.
You want to save western civilization? Do so, it's your responsibility one person at a time.
And they are maintaining a white majority over there. I don't see what your complaint is.
I'm not defending it, I'm telling you why it's a tactic.
Yes, and I'm right.
I'm going to try and try to avoid quote replying because it's only going to get too hard to follow.
Most of your arguments about culture involve you not understanding that you don't just take giants abstract swaths of populations and then smooth out a trend and say no change has taken place. Different populations, stemming from different individuals, coming from, and living in, different environments are going to all have different cultures. You want to be reductionist to sculpt a narrative about race, but your reductionism is why your theories can't work, aren't accepted, and still own't be accepted.
What I call colonialism is when, typically corporations, seize control over small towns, sculpt the government to form a protection racket, and then import large swathes of labor to set up a corporate colony. Democratic governments have structured their own from of colonialism by using public housing and homeless trafficking to move populations to and from different regions for their own local political advantage.
White Flight, is by definition, white families leaving collapsing communities to benefit themselves. Yes some people who chose to not engage in white flight are going to be the ones who lose out if they can't improve the community on their own. That's how things work. You sell an investment if you think you are going to lose money. You don't hold unless you are sure that it's going to recover. This is one of the reasons why communities that experience riots, never recover. No one's going to take the enormous effort to recover a community who's government won't protect it and who's people don't give a shit. If you move into a community that already experienced white flight, you're buying the dip. You're hoping for a recovery, and I hope you're right, but don't complain if you're wrong. If you refuse to leave a community in decline, again, this is your problem. You're hoping it will recover, if you are wrong, it's time to sell. If you rented rather than purchased, you're much better off because you can leave far faster.
Protectionism; racial, economic, or otherwise; doesn't fucking help. It will not help anyone. The only appropriate response is to adapt as quickly as possible to new changes, threats, and pressures. Protectionism always tends to cause failure because a) it stifles the inevitable adaptation, and b) it exists only to secure power for those pushing the protection racket and will benefit no one else.
When Unions pushed tariffs, it hurt American consumers. When they demanded massive minimum wages, they drove up costs, centralized the industry, and promoted joblessness due to automation. When they demanded "fail labor practices", they invited socialists to govern the workings of the industry. When they demanded mandatory union membership, they destroyed the ability for people to find work in a way that suited them more than it did the union. The stronger the union got, the stronger the socialists got, the stronger the corporations got, the stronger the government got, the stronger the """captialists""" (because you are using the word wrong like a Socialist), got.
Right up until the whole fucking protection racket imploded and American manfuacturing damn near died, and the midwest was sent into a tail-spin from which it never recovered. Now workers and laborers are actively resisting unionization, with Leftists and Socialists spinning and reee-ing in confusion about why the working class would "vote against their own interests!" It's because they aren't. They just realized unions never worked in their own interest.
Your racial socialism works precisely the same way. You will claim to work on behalf of your race, which is a bold-faced lie. You will do nothing to actually help anyone, but you will promote your own power by turning to resentment and pushing for protectionism that will stifle all the people you claim to protect, leading to massive government over-reach and control, pushed (once again) by progressive racialists who will inject socialism into everything, and will promote balkanization of the country until the whole system fucking implodes on itself... which is exactly what happened with Jim Crow and is why the South isn't going back to racialism. White southerners realized they didn't need that shit because it never helped them and still won't. It's just another grift for some collectivist to pretend they aren't and individual so they can take someone else's money.
Which gets to your final point about individualism, you've got it exactly backwards. The expansion of socialist mass societies was a product of the final periods of the industrial revolution, and writers from the dawn of the 20th century correctly predicted the rise of totalitarian collectivism. However, that entire technological and economic order is done. The situation is now utterly reversing. The trend is towards individualism, not collectivism. This is due to both economic and technological factors. The entire old order system is ending and that's why the Fabians have no idea how to move forward. They can't see past their own "end of history".