KiA2, now that I look at the front page, isn't necessarily as political (although we have a wide definition of politics to include social issues).
I would recommend considering us political, since we're quite involved in culture war stuff. Almost a political meta, as the culture war involves a lot of non-political fields (like gaming) becoming intentionally politicized.
While you're around: any word on allowing user-created communities? I have not seen any moderator-tier failures so far on the .win network, but I believe it is inevitable to occur and reliable countermeasures should be made.
We'll allow user-created communities eventually. As for how we'll handle moderators, it's not determined...
Reddit's mainly in the mess its in with regards to moderators because the company is on board with it. They could fix their situation overnight if they cared to.
I think Win's anti-politics stance will provide some protection against moderators with ulterior motives. If Reddit removed all politics + social issues from the feed today, a lot of their political operatives disguised as moderators would be out of a job.
I don't think I agree about reddit being fixable in a single night, but I'd agree that it could be made tolerable. Just that it'd be likely for similar problems to come back afterwards.
I think Win's anti-politics stance will provide some protection against moderators with ulterior motives.
I'll interpret this favorably, but I want to point out that it will sound suspicious to others here. I'm sure you've seen some online spaces get dominated by some one-sided politics alongside claims that amount to "your ideas are political, but my ideas are moral".
Specific example. I was actually a bit alarmed when I stopped by the gaming .win, because I've had it ingrained in me from reddit that every gaming space that openly declares "no politics" will not implement the rule fairly. Reading the actual threads there afterwards, however, I did not notice evidence of such a corruption.
Back to the idea of fixing reddit, a great motion towards that end would be ensuring that all rules are applied fairly. But the nature of a ruleset is to bind its subjects, so it organically attracts bad actors who wish to place others beneath them. If you could conjure some AI supermod to eliminate that human element, the bad actors would just be pushed to the next softest target. I will not suggest attempting a purge like they have done with us, as it solves little and breeds conflict. Merely preventing the highest tiers of power from becoming compromised could be enough in the long term, but that in itself is not a simple feat.
I think it'll be fine. Powermods will end up being a thing again, but that only matters long term when the users are denied the opportunity to pack up and make a new camp. It'd be interesting if some sort of system were attempted to try to counter the phenomenon, but I won't get my hopes up.
I'm sure we'll end up repeating a lot of dumb stuff that happened on reddit. Just so long as it doesn't get totally wrecked like they did, it should be okay. I don't want to see shit like shadowbanning, bots checking post history for naughty words, scripts that auto-ban users from one section because they made a post in another section, groups dedicated to harassing neighbors, etc.
And yeah, it's sad, but I know schizo posters are real. I try to talk them down occasionally but it doesn't seem to help. But letting them run their own little camp? That should be no problem. Who could they bother there, the 4 people that follow them? I'd even abide my own enemies a place to gather as long as they keep to themselves.
will report innocuous posts as "degenerate", they have very strong political views and want opposing views removed
The report screen implies that false/frivolous reports are punishable. Do you know if that is the case? The mods would probably need a record of who reported what for this to be possible. I think that sounds fine. If a mod starts using it for bias, the admins should be willing to step in.
Actually, I'd be tempted to force reports to be public. "snitches get stitches" should only become a serious issue if the group has a problem with their ruleset. Maybe only test it in one community to see how it goes.
Gaming's logs should be public, actually, so you can check this.
I'm interested in checking this, but I'm unsure where I'd look over there? I didn't notice anything obvious while checking just now. I think public mod logs are a great tool to build community confidence, so it'd be cool to see it get adopted.
As far as a takeover, it could happen right now just by the wrong people worming their way into positions of power. So the admins already must be ready to deal with a takeover.
I don't agree that user created .wins would make that worse. They don't need a .win to organize and plan attacks, they can just use discord for that. It could cause some other problems, though, so I'd be fine if there was some kind of test or investigation for every attempted .win creation - preferably something handled manually by the admins and the details not being publicly disclosed so it would be very hard to cheat (if it were something dumb like post karma, that's really easy to pump with bots).
I would recommend considering us political, since we're quite involved in culture war stuff. Almost a political meta, as the culture war involves a lot of non-political fields (like gaming) becoming intentionally politicized.
While you're around: any word on allowing user-created communities? I have not seen any moderator-tier failures so far on the .win network, but I believe it is inevitable to occur and reliable countermeasures should be made.
We'll allow user-created communities eventually. As for how we'll handle moderators, it's not determined...
Reddit's mainly in the mess its in with regards to moderators because the company is on board with it. They could fix their situation overnight if they cared to.
I think Win's anti-politics stance will provide some protection against moderators with ulterior motives. If Reddit removed all politics + social issues from the feed today, a lot of their political operatives disguised as moderators would be out of a job.
I don't think I agree about reddit being fixable in a single night, but I'd agree that it could be made tolerable. Just that it'd be likely for similar problems to come back afterwards.
I'll interpret this favorably, but I want to point out that it will sound suspicious to others here. I'm sure you've seen some online spaces get dominated by some one-sided politics alongside claims that amount to "your ideas are political, but my ideas are moral".
Specific example. I was actually a bit alarmed when I stopped by the gaming .win, because I've had it ingrained in me from reddit that every gaming space that openly declares "no politics" will not implement the rule fairly. Reading the actual threads there afterwards, however, I did not notice evidence of such a corruption.
Back to the idea of fixing reddit, a great motion towards that end would be ensuring that all rules are applied fairly. But the nature of a ruleset is to bind its subjects, so it organically attracts bad actors who wish to place others beneath them. If you could conjure some AI supermod to eliminate that human element, the bad actors would just be pushed to the next softest target. I will not suggest attempting a purge like they have done with us, as it solves little and breeds conflict. Merely preventing the highest tiers of power from becoming compromised could be enough in the long term, but that in itself is not a simple feat.
I think it'll be fine. Powermods will end up being a thing again, but that only matters long term when the users are denied the opportunity to pack up and make a new camp. It'd be interesting if some sort of system were attempted to try to counter the phenomenon, but I won't get my hopes up.
I'm sure we'll end up repeating a lot of dumb stuff that happened on reddit. Just so long as it doesn't get totally wrecked like they did, it should be okay. I don't want to see shit like shadowbanning, bots checking post history for naughty words, scripts that auto-ban users from one section because they made a post in another section, groups dedicated to harassing neighbors, etc.
And yeah, it's sad, but I know schizo posters are real. I try to talk them down occasionally but it doesn't seem to help. But letting them run their own little camp? That should be no problem. Who could they bother there, the 4 people that follow them? I'd even abide my own enemies a place to gather as long as they keep to themselves.
The report screen implies that false/frivolous reports are punishable. Do you know if that is the case? The mods would probably need a record of who reported what for this to be possible. I think that sounds fine. If a mod starts using it for bias, the admins should be willing to step in.
Actually, I'd be tempted to force reports to be public. "snitches get stitches" should only become a serious issue if the group has a problem with their ruleset. Maybe only test it in one community to see how it goes.
I'm interested in checking this, but I'm unsure where I'd look over there? I didn't notice anything obvious while checking just now. I think public mod logs are a great tool to build community confidence, so it'd be cool to see it get adopted.
As far as a takeover, it could happen right now just by the wrong people worming their way into positions of power. So the admins already must be ready to deal with a takeover.
I don't agree that user created .wins would make that worse. They don't need a .win to organize and plan attacks, they can just use discord for that. It could cause some other problems, though, so I'd be fine if there was some kind of test or investigation for every attempted .win creation - preferably something handled manually by the admins and the details not being publicly disclosed so it would be very hard to cheat (if it were something dumb like post karma, that's really easy to pump with bots).