I think there's already some good answers in this thread, but I've noticed that I haven't actually seen anyone try to defend it while openly admitting that they like lolicon. So I'll be the first to do it(well, that I've seen at least).
I like lolicon. Yeah, yeah, boo on me! If I gave a fuck I wouldn't be typing this. What I like about it, is pretty much the same thing I like about any other porn. It's hot. It arouses me, so I jack off to it. That's it. You can call it pedophilia all you want. In the end, I know that as long as I'm not hurting anyone, or contributing to the harm of anyone, I have nothing to be ashamed of.
It's like with people who jerk it to rape porn. Just because they're aroused by rape in a fictional porno, doesn't mean they'd be down to rape, or be raped in real life. And this is the important part; the two things are very different. So different, that in a persons mind(I assume), they are not even considered to be the same thing. Rape in a porn, is not the same as rape in real life, just as a drawing of a loli, is not the same as an actual child in real life. The real thing is not the same as the fictional thing, and therefore, it won't create the same feelings of arousal in the vast majority of people who enjoy the fictional thing. At least, I assume it won't, though there's bound to be a few sickos out there.
It should be easy to understand. With rape porn, the appeal comes from the fantasy of either taking control by force, or having control taken away from you, and therefore not having to worry about being in control. The second part I hear is an especially popular fantasy among women who watch porn. In real life, however, none of that comes into play. Real rape, is simply a miserable violation of human rights for the one on the receiving end, and, you know, really fucked up on the other end. So yeah, completely different.
With lolicon, honestly it's a bit more difficult for me to explain, because I consider myself to be a "visuals" guy when it comes to lolicon. What I mean is, I personally just happen to like slim, small characters in hentai. Often times, loli hentai fulfills that desire for me. However, I don't really get off to the "idea" of lolicon. Basically, I just like small boobs short girls, but not the idea that the character is actually a kid. For the sake of argument though, I'll go out on a limb and say that for people who do like the "idea" of lolicon, the appeal probably mostly comes from the feeling of "taboo", like you're indulging in something forbidden. I think much of loli hentai is based around that appeal, and is designed specifically to enhance those feelings in the readers. And of course, they do it in ways that are completely impossible in real life.
To bring it back to the rape comparison, loli hentai, like rape porn, is completely different from real life. Loli hentai is designed to portray the whole scenario as a forbidden indulgence, through things such as, the loli enjoying it, the loli somehow being experienced in sex acts, the loli having an unrealistic body figure, and the loli not being traumatized in the slightest when all is said and done. These things are all impossible in real life. In real life, such an experience would be traumatizing for the child, and it wouldn't be enjoyable for the adult unless they were actually a sick pedophile. This is why you'll hear from most lolicons, myself included, that we think real children are absolutely disgusting. They're nothing like hentai. They're unsanitary and annoying, so I prefer not to be around them given the choice.
And I know the response to that is gonna be "well of course you'd say you hate kids in real life, that's exactly what a pedo would say!". So I'll take it a step further. I feel the same way about real women in general. Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't written off real women, if I had a chance to fuck a supermodel I'd probably take it. But generally speaking, I think 3-D girls are far less appealing than 2-D. They can be ugly, smelly, and they'll force you to deal with bullshit just to keep them around. Hentai, however, can be whatever the hell you want it to be, and that's what I like about it.
See, lolicon is just the tip of the iceberg. Hentai has all sorts of crazy, ridiculous shit you'd never see in real life, and I like a lot of it! I like the fantasy shit, exhibitionist shit, orgy shit, bondage shit, the yuri shit, mind control shit, time stop shit, tentacle shit, the stuck-in-a-wall shit, hell, sometimes I even like the literal shit! Just about the only shit I don't fuck with, is the gay shit, and the beastiality shit. I like all that shit, mainly because the visuals, the drawings, just look arousing to me. That's it.
Is it weird? Yes, duh, of course it's fucking weird! I may be a degenerate, but I'm not such a fucking dumbass as to not know that it's weird for me to like this stuff. But still, I don't feel an ounce of shame regarding any of this, because in the end it's my fucking business, not anyone elses, and it's not harming anyone. Imo, if someone wants to insist that I have a mental problem because I like certain drawings of completely fictional characters, then that person is the one with the problem, not me.
So uh, yeah, that's it I guess. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. I probably wrote way more than I should have, but in my defense, it only took a couple hours for me to write this. Man, I only recently started commenting on this website, I sure didn't expect that after a few days I'd be explaining weird hentai to you guys. I wonder if I'll get famous for this.
I think you deserve at least a little more engagement than you've received, so I'll ask for some clarification.
This sort of attraction you've expressed here, would you say that it demands your personal acknowledgement of non-physical attributes for the character(s) involved? To be direct, I wish to confirm that you are primarily attracted to the physical attributes that you've described and -not- any other attribute like personality or mental/emotional immaturity (you already stated that legality/age are of no interest).
IF you were to confirm the above, do you think your preferred body type would have an impact on your potential real life mate selection? Ignoring the difficulty of finding such an adult woman who lacks (or has diminished) secondary sexual characteristics.
I would sum up the physical aspect of most loli as 'lacking secondary sexual characteristics'. The labelling is murky, of course, but I get the feeling we have the same functional definitions for it. However, if you were only attracted to that aspect, it sort of leads one to wonder if traps appealed to you similarly.
Okay, I'll try to clarify. First off, no, my enjoyment of lolis does not demand acknowledgement of non-physical attributes. As I said in my first comment, it's not the "idea" of lolis that appeals to me, it's the "visuals", the body type, which is often "short girl with small boobs".
Now, I'd like to add an important note; I don't actually agree with your definition of lolis being "lacking secondary sexual characteristics". I disagree because there is a large spectrum of lolis, and not every type of loli will fit that description. Some are as you define them, and some are, as I've said, short girls with small boobs. I feel that this is an important distinction.
Personally, the closer a loli is to how you define them, the less I will like it. In fact, I consider the drawings of lolis with more "realistic" body types to be a huge turn off. I like small boobs, not flat to the point that they haven't even started to develop yet. Not that there's anything morally wrong with enjoying that style of loli hentai. It's still just as fictional, and therefore harmless, as the loli hentai with clearly exaggerated, "unrealistic" body types. Though I could understand if someone thinks it's extra creepy compared to the exaggerated kind.
Regarding traps, no, traps do not appeal to me. You may have thought it would be logical to assume I like traps, since you seem to have made the assumption that traps and lolis have the same body type, but that isn't the case. I don't consider them to have the same body type, and "trap" itself is not a body type that I like. I don't like cock, and I don't like literally flat chests, so traps are a no-go for me.
However, I'm not entirely averse to the presence of traps in hentai either. Before anyone tries to call me gay for admitting that, I'd like to point out that trap hentai, like loli hentai, exists on a spectrum. Just because a trap exists in a hentai, that doesn't mean the focus of the hentai is on something gay, like yaoi, or pegging. It could be that a hentai with a trap in it is about a trap fucking a girl, which is something I might be down to read depending on the quality of the art and story.
As for whether my body type preference would affect my choice of mate in real life, I'm not sure why you'd ask this, but I would say yes. Not to the point of overriding all other characteristics though. I would definitely prefer a slim, small-breasted gf, but real life isn't hentai. You can't have it exactly the way you want it, and I think there's more important things then appearance when it comes to a mate. So, I think i'd be willing to compromise a little on appearance. If she had the right personality and interests, I'd probably be happy with a thick girl(not too thick though, I don't want a fatty) with humongous D-cups.
I'd rather not have to bring up a body type chart and argue the fine details of which stages of physical maturity should fall under loli; my proposal was already generous by including diminished secondary sexual characteristics. Maybe I should have said "secondary sexual characteristics that have not reached 100% maturity", but I suppose even that could be confused by genetics.
I could probably also say androgyny, but somehow that implies to me that there's some physical maturity, which would exclude the younger range of loli. Personally, I've started using "toddler" for the very young range, but that's loaded in itself since it seems to be the label for realistic (and often western sourced) loli, which I think most fans of common loli would rather not see.
I wish we had more specific terms for these things; spectrum terms cause problems in communicating clearly.
Anyway, your clarification did make it clear that 0% secondary sexual maturity is a no-go, so it'd make sense to exclude a wide range of traps even before you get to the genitals.
I brought up the real life mate selection mostly for curiousity, but I'll also be the guy to bring up stereotype of asians having childlike physiques. "Short, with small breasts" sounds like a relatively simple hurdle to clear in the real world, so I'd count you lucky. Imagine being into furry or goblins, or some other such fantasy niche - those people have got 0 chances of finding something like that in real life. But yes, you are right, looks don't count for everything. I didn't mean to imply that you're shallow, we're just engaged in a, um, superficial topic.
I think there's a theory to build in the mate selection realm with regards to fetishes/kinks/etc, but I'll have to get more data samples before I can really go there. The other questions I asked relate to other theories I'm working on, such as how the taboo factor is not the primary force that leads a person to pursue new/adjacent fetishes/kinks, despite contradictory claims.
I think there's already some good answers in this thread, but I've noticed that I haven't actually seen anyone try to defend it while openly admitting that they like lolicon. So I'll be the first to do it(well, that I've seen at least).
I like lolicon. Yeah, yeah, boo on me! If I gave a fuck I wouldn't be typing this. What I like about it, is pretty much the same thing I like about any other porn. It's hot. It arouses me, so I jack off to it. That's it. You can call it pedophilia all you want. In the end, I know that as long as I'm not hurting anyone, or contributing to the harm of anyone, I have nothing to be ashamed of.
It's like with people who jerk it to rape porn. Just because they're aroused by rape in a fictional porno, doesn't mean they'd be down to rape, or be raped in real life. And this is the important part; the two things are very different. So different, that in a persons mind(I assume), they are not even considered to be the same thing. Rape in a porn, is not the same as rape in real life, just as a drawing of a loli, is not the same as an actual child in real life. The real thing is not the same as the fictional thing, and therefore, it won't create the same feelings of arousal in the vast majority of people who enjoy the fictional thing. At least, I assume it won't, though there's bound to be a few sickos out there.
It should be easy to understand. With rape porn, the appeal comes from the fantasy of either taking control by force, or having control taken away from you, and therefore not having to worry about being in control. The second part I hear is an especially popular fantasy among women who watch porn. In real life, however, none of that comes into play. Real rape, is simply a miserable violation of human rights for the one on the receiving end, and, you know, really fucked up on the other end. So yeah, completely different.
With lolicon, honestly it's a bit more difficult for me to explain, because I consider myself to be a "visuals" guy when it comes to lolicon. What I mean is, I personally just happen to like slim, small characters in hentai. Often times, loli hentai fulfills that desire for me. However, I don't really get off to the "idea" of lolicon. Basically, I just like small boobs short girls, but not the idea that the character is actually a kid. For the sake of argument though, I'll go out on a limb and say that for people who do like the "idea" of lolicon, the appeal probably mostly comes from the feeling of "taboo", like you're indulging in something forbidden. I think much of loli hentai is based around that appeal, and is designed specifically to enhance those feelings in the readers. And of course, they do it in ways that are completely impossible in real life.
To bring it back to the rape comparison, loli hentai, like rape porn, is completely different from real life. Loli hentai is designed to portray the whole scenario as a forbidden indulgence, through things such as, the loli enjoying it, the loli somehow being experienced in sex acts, the loli having an unrealistic body figure, and the loli not being traumatized in the slightest when all is said and done. These things are all impossible in real life. In real life, such an experience would be traumatizing for the child, and it wouldn't be enjoyable for the adult unless they were actually a sick pedophile. This is why you'll hear from most lolicons, myself included, that we think real children are absolutely disgusting. They're nothing like hentai. They're unsanitary and annoying, so I prefer not to be around them given the choice.
And I know the response to that is gonna be "well of course you'd say you hate kids in real life, that's exactly what a pedo would say!". So I'll take it a step further. I feel the same way about real women in general. Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't written off real women, if I had a chance to fuck a supermodel I'd probably take it. But generally speaking, I think 3-D girls are far less appealing than 2-D. They can be ugly, smelly, and they'll force you to deal with bullshit just to keep them around. Hentai, however, can be whatever the hell you want it to be, and that's what I like about it.
See, lolicon is just the tip of the iceberg. Hentai has all sorts of crazy, ridiculous shit you'd never see in real life, and I like a lot of it! I like the fantasy shit, exhibitionist shit, orgy shit, bondage shit, the yuri shit, mind control shit, time stop shit, tentacle shit, the stuck-in-a-wall shit, hell, sometimes I even like the literal shit! Just about the only shit I don't fuck with, is the gay shit, and the beastiality shit. I like all that shit, mainly because the visuals, the drawings, just look arousing to me. That's it.
Is it weird? Yes, duh, of course it's fucking weird! I may be a degenerate, but I'm not such a fucking dumbass as to not know that it's weird for me to like this stuff. But still, I don't feel an ounce of shame regarding any of this, because in the end it's my fucking business, not anyone elses, and it's not harming anyone. Imo, if someone wants to insist that I have a mental problem because I like certain drawings of completely fictional characters, then that person is the one with the problem, not me.
So uh, yeah, that's it I guess. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. I probably wrote way more than I should have, but in my defense, it only took a couple hours for me to write this. Man, I only recently started commenting on this website, I sure didn't expect that after a few days I'd be explaining weird hentai to you guys. I wonder if I'll get famous for this.
I think you deserve at least a little more engagement than you've received, so I'll ask for some clarification.
This sort of attraction you've expressed here, would you say that it demands your personal acknowledgement of non-physical attributes for the character(s) involved? To be direct, I wish to confirm that you are primarily attracted to the physical attributes that you've described and -not- any other attribute like personality or mental/emotional immaturity (you already stated that legality/age are of no interest).
IF you were to confirm the above, do you think your preferred body type would have an impact on your potential real life mate selection? Ignoring the difficulty of finding such an adult woman who lacks (or has diminished) secondary sexual characteristics.
I would sum up the physical aspect of most loli as 'lacking secondary sexual characteristics'. The labelling is murky, of course, but I get the feeling we have the same functional definitions for it. However, if you were only attracted to that aspect, it sort of leads one to wonder if traps appealed to you similarly.
Okay, I'll try to clarify. First off, no, my enjoyment of lolis does not demand acknowledgement of non-physical attributes. As I said in my first comment, it's not the "idea" of lolis that appeals to me, it's the "visuals", the body type, which is often "short girl with small boobs".
Now, I'd like to add an important note; I don't actually agree with your definition of lolis being "lacking secondary sexual characteristics". I disagree because there is a large spectrum of lolis, and not every type of loli will fit that description. Some are as you define them, and some are, as I've said, short girls with small boobs. I feel that this is an important distinction.
Personally, the closer a loli is to how you define them, the less I will like it. In fact, I consider the drawings of lolis with more "realistic" body types to be a huge turn off. I like small boobs, not flat to the point that they haven't even started to develop yet. Not that there's anything morally wrong with enjoying that style of loli hentai. It's still just as fictional, and therefore harmless, as the loli hentai with clearly exaggerated, "unrealistic" body types. Though I could understand if someone thinks it's extra creepy compared to the exaggerated kind.
Regarding traps, no, traps do not appeal to me. You may have thought it would be logical to assume I like traps, since you seem to have made the assumption that traps and lolis have the same body type, but that isn't the case. I don't consider them to have the same body type, and "trap" itself is not a body type that I like. I don't like cock, and I don't like literally flat chests, so traps are a no-go for me.
However, I'm not entirely averse to the presence of traps in hentai either. Before anyone tries to call me gay for admitting that, I'd like to point out that trap hentai, like loli hentai, exists on a spectrum. Just because a trap exists in a hentai, that doesn't mean the focus of the hentai is on something gay, like yaoi, or pegging. It could be that a hentai with a trap in it is about a trap fucking a girl, which is something I might be down to read depending on the quality of the art and story.
As for whether my body type preference would affect my choice of mate in real life, I'm not sure why you'd ask this, but I would say yes. Not to the point of overriding all other characteristics though. I would definitely prefer a slim, small-breasted gf, but real life isn't hentai. You can't have it exactly the way you want it, and I think there's more important things then appearance when it comes to a mate. So, I think i'd be willing to compromise a little on appearance. If she had the right personality and interests, I'd probably be happy with a thick girl(not too thick though, I don't want a fatty) with humongous D-cups.
I'd rather not have to bring up a body type chart and argue the fine details of which stages of physical maturity should fall under loli; my proposal was already generous by including diminished secondary sexual characteristics. Maybe I should have said "secondary sexual characteristics that have not reached 100% maturity", but I suppose even that could be confused by genetics.
I could probably also say androgyny, but somehow that implies to me that there's some physical maturity, which would exclude the younger range of loli. Personally, I've started using "toddler" for the very young range, but that's loaded in itself since it seems to be the label for realistic (and often western sourced) loli, which I think most fans of common loli would rather not see.
I wish we had more specific terms for these things; spectrum terms cause problems in communicating clearly.
Anyway, your clarification did make it clear that 0% secondary sexual maturity is a no-go, so it'd make sense to exclude a wide range of traps even before you get to the genitals.
I brought up the real life mate selection mostly for curiousity, but I'll also be the guy to bring up stereotype of asians having childlike physiques. "Short, with small breasts" sounds like a relatively simple hurdle to clear in the real world, so I'd count you lucky. Imagine being into furry or goblins, or some other such fantasy niche - those people have got 0 chances of finding something like that in real life. But yes, you are right, looks don't count for everything. I didn't mean to imply that you're shallow, we're just engaged in a, um, superficial topic.
I think there's a theory to build in the mate selection realm with regards to fetishes/kinks/etc, but I'll have to get more data samples before I can really go there. The other questions I asked relate to other theories I'm working on, such as how the taboo factor is not the primary force that leads a person to pursue new/adjacent fetishes/kinks, despite contradictory claims.