I've seen part of his interview with Gregg Hurwitz, the dude was along the lines: dumb poor people can't get to the level of understanding of us rich white elites and this is why people voted for Trump, also he is proud of having a trans kid godchild like it is not child abuse.
JP did not call him on any of that, I understand he is trying to give the dude a platform to reach the right but it all seemed shady.
Add to that this interview with Douglas where he says that the elections are fine and everyone should distant themselves from Trump and it does ring some alarm bells.
To me it looks a lot like he is taking money in order to "deprogram" conservatives.
I may be paranoiac but if you were to actually try to deprogram conservatives, how would you do it? You would get people that the right listens to like JP and Douglass Murray, to speak your talking points.
The more I watch of this, the more unsettling this interview is. I'd passed off his previous submission to leftists regarding Kavanaugh as merely the influence of the Weinstein brothers, and his voiceover of a Democrat ad a few years back on his channel as an appeal to stability, but between this interview and what you've said regarding his Hurwitz episode (I skipped that one, YT comments suggested it was a dumpster fire), it does raise questions.
And even in this one, both present subtle slights to the right, e.g. "mindless populism, the stupidity of the people who voted for Trump, elements of the American right have deeply overstated the proximity of Communism to the American political system." Something is off there. I think it's probably less that they've been paid to deprogram, but moreso that Peterson and Murray seem so focused on holding the center, the system, together, that they've convinced themselves that systemic fraud can't have occurred because the consequences of such a thing are more than either could bear.
I haven't see the Hurwitz one yet. But generally, I think what the rational and popular good thinkers who aren't blind (i.e: Peterson, Murray, etc.) Are purposefully going forward and not screaming bloody murder because it's already bad enough. We want them to stand up and punch back. The left putting 25k troops in DC wasn't because they were in danger - "we have power, FUCK YOU"
But mostly, I can see in Murray/Peterson's conversation, they were strongmanning positions from both sides, without a lot of rhetoric. I felt that was refreshing, because it also felt extremely clear to me - don't forget, people who watch those guys once, even a short clip, end up doing deep dives ;)
JP has me a bit worried.
I've seen part of his interview with Gregg Hurwitz, the dude was along the lines: dumb poor people can't get to the level of understanding of us rich white elites and this is why people voted for Trump, also he is proud of having a trans kid godchild like it is not child abuse.
JP did not call him on any of that, I understand he is trying to give the dude a platform to reach the right but it all seemed shady. Add to that this interview with Douglas where he says that the elections are fine and everyone should distant themselves from Trump and it does ring some alarm bells. To me it looks a lot like he is taking money in order to "deprogram" conservatives.
I may be paranoiac but if you were to actually try to deprogram conservatives, how would you do it? You would get people that the right listens to like JP and Douglass Murray, to speak your talking points.
The more I watch of this, the more unsettling this interview is. I'd passed off his previous submission to leftists regarding Kavanaugh as merely the influence of the Weinstein brothers, and his voiceover of a Democrat ad a few years back on his channel as an appeal to stability, but between this interview and what you've said regarding his Hurwitz episode (I skipped that one, YT comments suggested it was a dumpster fire), it does raise questions.
And even in this one, both present subtle slights to the right, e.g. "mindless populism, the stupidity of the people who voted for Trump, elements of the American right have deeply overstated the proximity of Communism to the American political system." Something is off there. I think it's probably less that they've been paid to deprogram, but moreso that Peterson and Murray seem so focused on holding the center, the system, together, that they've convinced themselves that systemic fraud can't have occurred because the consequences of such a thing are more than either could bear.
I haven't see the Hurwitz one yet. But generally, I think what the rational and popular good thinkers who aren't blind (i.e: Peterson, Murray, etc.) Are purposefully going forward and not screaming bloody murder because it's already bad enough. We want them to stand up and punch back. The left putting 25k troops in DC wasn't because they were in danger - "we have power, FUCK YOU"
But mostly, I can see in Murray/Peterson's conversation, they were strongmanning positions from both sides, without a lot of rhetoric. I felt that was refreshing, because it also felt extremely clear to me - don't forget, people who watch those guys once, even a short clip, end up doing deep dives ;)