This sucks. Surrogacy was the only avenue for a man to guarantee he had sole stewardship of his children.
Jeff Younger (crazy story about his wife trans'ing his son and how fucked family court is) made a good point once. In theory you could have your partner become your surrogate, guaranteeing your full rights to the child no matter what.
Men are starting to realize surrogacy is an option to have offspring without the chance of a modern women using the state to steal everything from you when she gets bored.
In a sane world, gays wouldn't have access to it, of course.
Surrogacy is awful man. Obviously reproducing with a terrible woman is also awful, but we shouldn't rely upon indentured servants to have kids.
Nature dictates that a man and a woman are both required to produce a child, so it stands to reason that a child needs both to be raised properly. It's on you (and separately the female) to be extremely selective with who you reproduce with. In the western world it is very difficult to find a worthy woman, but they do exist. But you aren't going to find one in a bar, in the city, or on a hookup site.
The other issue is that if you do find one, you need to be worthy of her too. Are you a virtuous man? Do you worship God? Are you honorable and chaste? Do you defend the weak and help those in need? Also, are you healthy and thus attractive? Are you capable of providing for a family so that she can stay at home and raise your child? If you get yourself right, you'll find a good woman.
The issue with MGTOW is that as bad as women are these days (and likely for all time), men are just as bad. Proponents of MGTOW are just as misguided as the women who push feminism. We should be fighting for a world that's better for both men and women, not one at the expense of the other.
Wouldn't a proper trad christian marriage be patriarchal? How is that possible when the woman can hold your kids as bargaining chips against you? This isn't really about MGTOW or based unicorn trad wives, it's about reestablishing patriarchal families. I see too many fathers these day completely owned by their wives irrational whims and it's obvious why; they have state sanctioned force on their side. So don't act all high and mighty when men start looking for alternative ways to secure his parental rights in this fucked up justice system.
Until the laws change you are just dreaming of a world that doesn't exist anymore.
The legally constructed incentives for bad faith acting in marriage contracts is way too high. Just from that alone many women are going to abuse it, even your trad virtuous christian ones do. The states themselves are also incentivized by federal laws to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Texas gets half a billion a year from the federal governemnt because of child support and alimony. The more support they dope out, the more money they get from the feds.
It's insane whats going on when you learn how family courts work and the completely ass backward incentive structure they have crafted.
All I can say is that I have a traditional marriage and it's been great for just shy of 15 years. All of my traditional catholic friends have been married a long while and have great families. The divorce rate among traditional Catholics is 2 percent, compared to the divorce rates of everyone else. Meanwhile, most of my non catholic friends have marriages similar to what you're describing. Either they suffer from infidelity or they have a bitchy wife who dominates them.
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it's possible if you do it right. The cards are absolutely stacked against men right now and I definitely see where proponents of MGTOW are coming from. I really want to make that clear. But it is ultimately misguided. I assure you that if you follow Christ and live accordingly, you find true joy and you will win in the end regardless of what the world throws at you. And if you yearn to marry a good woman and have children, I'm confident that God will give you what you desire. If it's not in the exact way you hope for, it will be in an even better way.
This sucks. Surrogacy was the only avenue for a man to guarantee he had sole stewardship of his children.
Jeff Younger (crazy story about his wife trans'ing his son and how fucked family court is) made a good point once. In theory you could have your partner become your surrogate, guaranteeing your full rights to the child no matter what.
Men are starting to realize surrogacy is an option to have offspring without the chance of a modern women using the state to steal everything from you when she gets bored.
In a sane world, gays wouldn't have access to it, of course.
Surrogacy is awful man. Obviously reproducing with a terrible woman is also awful, but we shouldn't rely upon indentured servants to have kids.
Nature dictates that a man and a woman are both required to produce a child, so it stands to reason that a child needs both to be raised properly. It's on you (and separately the female) to be extremely selective with who you reproduce with. In the western world it is very difficult to find a worthy woman, but they do exist. But you aren't going to find one in a bar, in the city, or on a hookup site.
The other issue is that if you do find one, you need to be worthy of her too. Are you a virtuous man? Do you worship God? Are you honorable and chaste? Do you defend the weak and help those in need? Also, are you healthy and thus attractive? Are you capable of providing for a family so that she can stay at home and raise your child? If you get yourself right, you'll find a good woman.
The issue with MGTOW is that as bad as women are these days (and likely for all time), men are just as bad. Proponents of MGTOW are just as misguided as the women who push feminism. We should be fighting for a world that's better for both men and women, not one at the expense of the other.
Wouldn't a proper trad christian marriage be patriarchal? How is that possible when the woman can hold your kids as bargaining chips against you? This isn't really about MGTOW or based unicorn trad wives, it's about reestablishing patriarchal families. I see too many fathers these day completely owned by their wives irrational whims and it's obvious why; they have state sanctioned force on their side. So don't act all high and mighty when men start looking for alternative ways to secure his parental rights in this fucked up justice system.
Until the laws change you are just dreaming of a world that doesn't exist anymore.
The legally constructed incentives for bad faith acting in marriage contracts is way too high. Just from that alone many women are going to abuse it, even your trad virtuous christian ones do. The states themselves are also incentivized by federal laws to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Texas gets half a billion a year from the federal governemnt because of child support and alimony. The more support they dope out, the more money they get from the feds.
It's insane whats going on when you learn how family courts work and the completely ass backward incentive structure they have crafted.
All I can say is that I have a traditional marriage and it's been great for just shy of 15 years. All of my traditional catholic friends have been married a long while and have great families. The divorce rate among traditional Catholics is 2 percent, compared to the divorce rates of everyone else. Meanwhile, most of my non catholic friends have marriages similar to what you're describing. Either they suffer from infidelity or they have a bitchy wife who dominates them.
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it's possible if you do it right. The cards are absolutely stacked against men right now and I definitely see where proponents of MGTOW are coming from. I really want to make that clear. But it is ultimately misguided. I assure you that if you follow Christ and live accordingly, you find true joy and you will win in the end regardless of what the world throws at you. And if you yearn to marry a good woman and have children, I'm confident that God will give you what you desire. If it's not in the exact way you hope for, it will be in an even better way.