I didn’t really hate Crystal Skull (I didn’t think aliens and flying saucers should be a bridge too far if one is cool with avenging angels and such from the other movies) so I’ll consider Indy as the star as a quadrilogy, but the main point stands, everyone gets to decide which movies “count” in their own mind because ultimately entertainment is in the eye of the beholder. You always have the right to reject a new franchise entry as far as you care.
It's not the aliens in Crystal Skull that bother me. Its the zany/cartoonish levels of danger and villains. Yes there was some of this in the previous 3, but it's just too much in 4. The refrigerator to survive a nuke. The overly sentient ants reacting instantly. The Keystone Cops style villains and chases. It just went full corny. If they had dialed things back just a little bit, I wouldn't 'hate' it. The tone. We accept Mola Ram in Temple of Doom ripping out hearts because it fits with the pulpy terror motif. Indy 4 is just ZaNy CrAzY man. If that makes sense.
It also started the 'bad dad' path for Indy. I get that they are trying to mirror his relationship with his own dad (Connery) but it was too heavy handed imo. Too disfunctional. Too finger wagging. I don't know, the movie has a weird ass vibe. Harrison Ford was already way too old in that one. Rickety and awkward. He should have played more of the Connery role to whomever they were going to pass the torch to. Shia was another failing in that sense. Though I don't overly hate the guy or his acting. He just wasn't a good fit for an Indy movie.
I didn’t really hate Crystal Skull (I didn’t think aliens and flying saucers should be a bridge too far if one is cool with avenging angels and such from the other movies) so I’ll consider Indy as the star as a quadrilogy, but the main point stands, everyone gets to decide which movies “count” in their own mind because ultimately entertainment is in the eye of the beholder. You always have the right to reject a new franchise entry as far as you care.
It's not the aliens in Crystal Skull that bother me. Its the zany/cartoonish levels of danger and villains. Yes there was some of this in the previous 3, but it's just too much in 4. The refrigerator to survive a nuke. The overly sentient ants reacting instantly. The Keystone Cops style villains and chases. It just went full corny. If they had dialed things back just a little bit, I wouldn't 'hate' it. The tone. We accept Mola Ram in Temple of Doom ripping out hearts because it fits with the pulpy terror motif. Indy 4 is just ZaNy CrAzY man. If that makes sense.
It also started the 'bad dad' path for Indy. I get that they are trying to mirror his relationship with his own dad (Connery) but it was too heavy handed imo. Too disfunctional. Too finger wagging. I don't know, the movie has a weird ass vibe. Harrison Ford was already way too old in that one. Rickety and awkward. He should have played more of the Connery role to whomever they were going to pass the torch to. Shia was another failing in that sense. Though I don't overly hate the guy or his acting. He just wasn't a good fit for an Indy movie.
Member when Shia was swinging through the trees on vines with the monkies? I sure do.