90% of signing deaf people, are deaf from birth or nearabouts, and have had the education system massively fail them. Their literacy is at a year 3 or 4 level, they are still learning to read, instead of 'reading to learn'
People able to use subtitles have already learnt english, and then lost their hearing to the point they need subtitles, or its for people playing late at night or in a noisy environment...
There is actually very little overlap between the two. Not that there aren't a couple few deaf people who became literate, but it really is 10% who overcome that barrier at about the age of 9 or 10, and don't plateau.
u/vebent isn't wrong, if I became deaf, even though I understand a sign language myself, I'd much prefer subtitles/closed captions, but then we'd be among the 'post-lingually deafened. But if we were born deaf, we likely wouldn't be able to read them.'. The 'pre-lingually deafened' are an entirely different population, with different needs.
I'm as anti virtue-signally as anybody, but this isn't that bad. I'll tell you what is bad though: For a live interpretation, what the interpreter signs is roughly 6 seconds behind what the person is saying. The reason for this 'lag time' is that we don't interpret it word for word, it would be a pretty awful and meaningless interpretation doing that. The 6s lag time lets the interpreter process and understand the actual meaning of the sentence and sign that. So each time the news broadcast shows some tosser politician with an interpreter and ends right as the politician says something, then cuts, that is entirely performative of the broadcaster. The last 6 or so secconds of the important announcement were cut. But the hearing people don't know that, they think the deaf were given access, after all they could see an interpreter right?
I've long been of the opinion that if you are going to offer foreign languages as classes and as subtitles, it should be your native ones first. Including your area's sign language. Not spanish. Not french. They can and should learn English if they're coming here. But the native languages and the sign language, in this case American Sign Language (ASL). There's a nationalist argument for pushing this over foreign languages.
There's a difference between stupid and uneducated. The god awful public education and health systems have failed them. When it's 90% of people with a physical disability, not a mental one, who can't read before they hit 18 (when personal responsibility kicks in) then we need to look at what the parents, schools and hospitals are doing. If it were just double the base rate of illiteracy then sure, it would just be the deafness exacerbating existing issues. But roughly 90% of them? Something else is going on.
I'm all for personal responsibility, but these kids are being let down somewhere while they are children.
You aren't wrong about the decay in western civ, and I'm looking at the trend towards mainstreaming/inclusion instead of specialist schools with expertise and resources as a major contributor. Not only do the disabled kids not get the resources they need, all the other kids get a major distraction in the classroom. It's lose/lose, with children's futures.
But roughly 90% of them? Something else is going on.
From my limited interactions with this community and from what I've heard from those more acquainted;
It's the fault of the community itself.
They act like niggers.
Meaning full crabs in a bucket attitude, refusal to learn and grow, and worship of ignorance.
I am a proponent of harsh teachings and discipline for children. It's more effective to let them obviously fail and call them idiots while forcing them to practice until they aren't idiots.
Which is why I'm against the sign language shit. I think it's a relic of a bygone age and only hurts the deaf by forcing them into an alternate society and nation.
So realistically I find it hard to care. Their numbers are few, and they can get along well enough with technology.
Though I will say that the sign language nonsense in political speeches is hilarious. Watching some faggot dance in the corner while a crooked politician talks about war is peak comedy.
From my limited interactions with this community and from what I've heard from those more acquainted;
It's the fault of the community itself.
Oh for sure, the community is to blame for many of their ills, it is a toxic victim-based culture for sure.
But I don't think that explains what happens at age 10, it can't explain how when 90% of deaf kids are to hearing parents, they have poor as fuck literacy, the few deaf kids with deaf parents do quite a bit better.
Ok so, this is my area
This isn't as performative as it might appear.
90% of signing deaf people, are deaf from birth or nearabouts, and have had the education system massively fail them. Their literacy is at a year 3 or 4 level, they are still learning to read, instead of 'reading to learn'
People able to use subtitles have already learnt english, and then lost their hearing to the point they need subtitles, or its for people playing late at night or in a noisy environment...
There is actually very little overlap between the two. Not that there aren't a couple few deaf people who became literate, but it really is 10% who overcome that barrier at about the age of 9 or 10, and don't plateau.
u/vebent isn't wrong, if I became deaf, even though I understand a sign language myself, I'd much prefer subtitles/closed captions, but then we'd be among the 'post-lingually deafened. But if we were born deaf, we likely wouldn't be able to read them.'. The 'pre-lingually deafened' are an entirely different population, with different needs.
I'm as anti virtue-signally as anybody, but this isn't that bad. I'll tell you what is bad though: For a live interpretation, what the interpreter signs is roughly 6 seconds behind what the person is saying. The reason for this 'lag time' is that we don't interpret it word for word, it would be a pretty awful and meaningless interpretation doing that. The 6s lag time lets the interpreter process and understand the actual meaning of the sentence and sign that. So each time the news broadcast shows some tosser politician with an interpreter and ends right as the politician says something, then cuts, that is entirely performative of the broadcaster. The last 6 or so secconds of the important announcement were cut. But the hearing people don't know that, they think the deaf were given access, after all they could see an interpreter right?
I've long been of the opinion that if you are going to offer foreign languages as classes and as subtitles, it should be your native ones first. Including your area's sign language. Not spanish. Not french. They can and should learn English if they're coming here. But the native languages and the sign language, in this case American Sign Language (ASL). There's a nationalist argument for pushing this over foreign languages.
If they're such massive failures as people, why are they being encouraged to play video games and catered to in politics?
This just further shows the decay of western society to me.
I am 100% against sign language if the reason we're doing it is because the deaf are too stupid to read.
I'm far past caring about people that can't keep up.
There's a difference between stupid and uneducated. The god awful public education and health systems have failed them. When it's 90% of people with a physical disability, not a mental one, who can't read before they hit 18 (when personal responsibility kicks in) then we need to look at what the parents, schools and hospitals are doing. If it were just double the base rate of illiteracy then sure, it would just be the deafness exacerbating existing issues. But roughly 90% of them? Something else is going on.
I'm all for personal responsibility, but these kids are being let down somewhere while they are children.
You aren't wrong about the decay in western civ, and I'm looking at the trend towards mainstreaming/inclusion instead of specialist schools with expertise and resources as a major contributor. Not only do the disabled kids not get the resources they need, all the other kids get a major distraction in the classroom. It's lose/lose, with children's futures.
From my limited interactions with this community and from what I've heard from those more acquainted;
It's the fault of the community itself.
They act like niggers.
Meaning full crabs in a bucket attitude, refusal to learn and grow, and worship of ignorance.
I am a proponent of harsh teachings and discipline for children. It's more effective to let them obviously fail and call them idiots while forcing them to practice until they aren't idiots.
Which is why I'm against the sign language shit. I think it's a relic of a bygone age and only hurts the deaf by forcing them into an alternate society and nation.
So realistically I find it hard to care. Their numbers are few, and they can get along well enough with technology.
Though I will say that the sign language nonsense in political speeches is hilarious. Watching some faggot dance in the corner while a crooked politician talks about war is peak comedy.
Oh for sure, the community is to blame for many of their ills, it is a toxic victim-based culture for sure.
But I don't think that explains what happens at age 10, it can't explain how when 90% of deaf kids are to hearing parents, they have poor as fuck literacy, the few deaf kids with deaf parents do quite a bit better.