That's almost a feature, in my opinion. Take /pol/ for example. Ignore the "the jews" and obvious bait threads and you can still find some good discussion. If someone is unwilling to ignore what accounts for a fringe part of a site's user base just because they don't want to be "associated" with evil nazis I doubt they will be missed.
Does a site need broad appeal? The larger something gets, the more "actual regular people" show up, the more likely a place is going to get a target pained on it and eventually over run by leftist influence. I believe in gatekeeping and if tolerating a few "da jews" posts is part of that, fine.
If you want your fill of the sort of shit you're talking about, you can always go to 4chan right now.
When's the last year you tried that site? I think you have a weird impression of it. They haven't used gatekeeping in years. The moderation got out of hand around the gamergate period.
I still check it a few times a week to see how they're doing. It's not pretty. I would describe the current userbase there as a combination of redditors that want to say something naughty (can't do that on reddit) and people with horrendous literary ability.
It is too often understated that the benefit of letting people be edgy and anonymous and post pictures is that it becomes a cultural generator of ideas. Understated because I think most people who talk about it without having been a part of it themselves will think it was a useless playpen to contain undesirables and lowbrow thoughts.
Anyway, I think it's up for debate on how to "win the culture war". We need a place to debate that, and I do not trust normal guys with that debate, so attempting to make a place for them to be gently eased out of their programming sounds like the debate has been skipped and everyone who wanted one can eat shit and let you have your way. (Though if it is a new space for that sole purpose, go right ahead!)
I mean no offense when I say this, but I think your problem is with the admins of .win moreso than with the users here. I think a lot of us aren't 100% thrilled about how things have gone with this site (over many reasons), but at least we have a nice little lifeboat for the moment.
That's almost a feature, in my opinion. Take /pol/ for example. Ignore the "the jews" and obvious bait threads and you can still find some good discussion. If someone is unwilling to ignore what accounts for a fringe part of a site's user base just because they don't want to be "associated" with evil nazis I doubt they will be missed.
Does a site need broad appeal? The larger something gets, the more "actual regular people" show up, the more likely a place is going to get a target pained on it and eventually over run by leftist influence. I believe in gatekeeping and if tolerating a few "da jews" posts is part of that, fine.
When's the last year you tried that site? I think you have a weird impression of it. They haven't used gatekeeping in years. The moderation got out of hand around the gamergate period.
I still check it a few times a week to see how they're doing. It's not pretty. I would describe the current userbase there as a combination of redditors that want to say something naughty (can't do that on reddit) and people with horrendous literary ability.
It is too often understated that the benefit of letting people be edgy and anonymous and post pictures is that it becomes a cultural generator of ideas. Understated because I think most people who talk about it without having been a part of it themselves will think it was a useless playpen to contain undesirables and lowbrow thoughts.
Anyway, I think it's up for debate on how to "win the culture war". We need a place to debate that, and I do not trust normal guys with that debate, so attempting to make a place for them to be gently eased out of their programming sounds like the debate has been skipped and everyone who wanted one can eat shit and let you have your way. (Though if it is a new space for that sole purpose, go right ahead!)
I mean no offense when I say this, but I think your problem is with the admins of .win moreso than with the users here. I think a lot of us aren't 100% thrilled about how things have gone with this site (over many reasons), but at least we have a nice little lifeboat for the moment.
Great post! Sums things up very well. Hopefully .win can can break through this early mess with some bigger communities that just outshine this crap.