About nine months ago this lifeboat came into existence following massive purges by Reddit admins against non-establishment conforming materials. Those purges never ended, which is why this particular forum has become the overall bastion for KIA2/GG materials.
On the creation of this site we were presented a set of 16 rules which we, the users, were questioned about. Overwhelming we found that the rules were overbearing and redundant.
Many of these rules are redundant, unnecessary, or bad.
The most obvious of which is that there are THREE rules covering NSFW/pornographic material. It was pointed out by myself as well as numerous other users that these were redundant and pointless, and the assumption was that these would be changed as the rules were simply temporary.
It's nine months on.
Those are only the most egregiously obvious.
The reason I make this post today is that our rules are so open-ended and confusing that even our illustrious mods have no idea WTF they mean.
I was personally banned for a day for a rule 15 violation after which u/DomitiusOfMassilia/ admitted he misunderstood what the rule meant. Immediately after I watched him make the same mistake with another. Now, a week after, I notice that the majority of action is taken under rules 2, 15, and 16. Almost all content removals are based on slurs/bad language/insults.
This post is largely upvoted while Dom's statement of removal is largely downvoted. That's just one example. This is becoming far too common. Please do not make the same mistakes that murdered KIA1.
Note that I am not calling out Dom specifically. I think the rules themselves are dogshit tier and must be fixed. I like this community, even if I do think you're a bunch of faggots. And goddamnit u/TheImpossible1 there's no women involved here so kindly fuck off.
Can we please have a serious discussion about our rules and the impacts that they have, and FIX THEM? We do not need SIXTEEN RULES, especially when it's clear not even our mods understand them all.
Combining Rule 4, 5, 6
I do not think these should be condensed because they are 3 completely separate things.
Four, involves salacious material that is being leaked for a multiplicity of reasons. Five, specifically refers to actual pornographic material, which is not part of Four. Six, requires that if something could be unsafe for work, salacious or otherwise, it should be labeled NSFW.
Combining them would just make it one extremely large and overly complex rule.
I think it'd be fine to combine them into a more complex rule. I could even see porn counted as spam, combining yet another rule.
Can you give me an example of 4 that cannot be considered a type of porn? Could holding hands count? If it could, the current description of rule 4 does not make that clear.
The existence of rule 6 creates a confusing implication that some porn can bypass rule 5, so I suggest either combining them OR make an in-rule reference so that implication doesn't come up.
As a side note, do you really need to state the specific rule when you take a mod action? It's just annoying to me to have to check the rules to translate, but it's also extra work for you because you couldn't have referenced the rule number without first understanding what the problem was. It's one thing to memorize the rules, but it's another to memorize the numbers assigned to each rule.
I don't really see how holding hands alone would could count as pornographic material, unless it was literally an early or late scene in a pornographic piece that wasn't sexually explicit.
Rule 6 is independent of Rule 5 since it's about the concept of making sure things are appropriately flaired. I suppose I could remove the word porn and make sure the word 'salacious' stays.
The goal is two fold:
Back to 4+5 then; couldn't you just say "No salacious content (imagery)"? Then there's no need to specify whether it's voluntary or involuntary. [I'm just referencing the sidebar rules atm, so apologies if the long hand rules are clearer]
The best reason I can think of to not do this one is if you needed to explain the reasoning of the rule. Rule 4 is intended for a pseudo-legal conflict prevention, whereas rule 5 seems to be a basic rule to prevent ridiculous scenarios where people decide they'd rather use our space for their fap sessions than see us talk (which is why I tend to consider such porn posting to be spam).
I will mention, though, that some of the loli argument threads we had recently brought up a few instances where I was seriously tempted to post images that would count as porn. The intent was to provide an informative chart for clarifying definitions. It was such an odd scenario, I thought it worth mentioning since it's a potential exception (I did manage without posting such a thing, and I believe others can manage the same, so I kind of hope it is not made an exception).
Finally, I'll save you a step and bring up a potential problem with replacing "porn" with "salacious". You could get people posting "tasteful nudes", which can become quite a slippery slope. This doesn't mean the description is a failure, though, just that there's too many language games available to play for you to make a perfect, ultimate description that comes in a digestible length. I'd be surprised if we got anybody here that was really so autistic that they couldn't grasp that this isn't the place to share anime tiddies (maybe advertising a game they made themselves at most).
But I'm not banning salacious material altogether, I'm banning genuine pornography.
Kilroy thinks that every rule should have a state of intent, which isn't unreasonable in my mind.
I think that's clearly reasonable enough for it to not really be what I'm talking about.
I think there may also be a form of self-policing that should be able to handle boundry conditions.