I’m just saying dude, one can see certain themes that were, for their time, “progressive” in all these works. The secretary in Ghostbusters, and adding Ernie in 2 come to mind as other examples of “woke-for-their-time”

I think “corporate/Military Industrial Complex america” is one of a few valid interpretations behind “the machine empire”, the agents have a clear “men-in-black”/gmen vibe, while obviously the film was also saying a lot of other things too though.

And that’s without even considering the people behind these works. Lucas is a classical lefty, the Whack-owskis are...well...whatever tf they are these days, and so on.

And besides(!!), from the very beginning I’ve never denied the existence of conservative themes or authors/creatives in Sci-Fi, I simply verbalized the notion that they were “swimming against the current” in the genre, the whole point being to discuss that phenomenon, and not necessarily counter examples (unless you thought the notion was so wrong it should be refuted, but I don’t think anyone can disagree that there is a general leftist slant in the average piece of sci-fi, I just wanted to get at why/what’s going on). I even said I don’t think it’s inherent, the title is mainly a framing for the conversation (though admittedly a far from perfect framing)

I’m just saying dude, one can see certain themes that were, for their time, “progressive” in all these works. The secretary in Ghostbusters comes to mind as another example. And I think “corporate america” is one of a few valid interpretations behind “the machine empire”, the agents have a clear “men-in-black”/gmen vibe, while obviously the film was also saying a lot of other things too though.

And that’s without even considering the people behind these works. Lucas is a classical lefty, the Whack-owskis are...well...whatever tf they are these days, and so on.

And besides(!!), from the very beginning I’ve never denied the existence of conservative themes or authors/creatives in Sci-Fi, I simply verbalized the notion that they were “swimming against the current” in the genre, the whole point being to discuss that phenomenon, and not necessarily counter examples (unless you thought the notion was so wrong it should be refuted, but I don’t think anyone can disagree that there is a general leftist slant in the average piece of sci-fi, I just wanted to get at why/what’s going on)