You can only "Counter-attack" if you've been attacked. France was not attacked yet when they declared war to Germany and prepared for initial attack. In fact, it was called "Drole de guerre" at the beginning because even though Germany and France were at war, there was barely any conflict.

Renault (French company) was the main supplier of the French army (actual Renault founder got a medal because he was also main supplier during WW1). Otherwise, they also used a bunch of other French companies (Citroen, CLM, etc.) or form other countries like UK. So even if Ford was out, they still had the majority of their armies

Even if they had no vehicles, French lost pathetically because they put all their forces on the "Ligne Maginot", and the German simply went around through Belgium. In fact, it would have maybe made things a little bit faster and reduce losses. If you're going to make such a bad analogy, at least take any other country than France which lost the war in 2 months.

It obviously has nothing to do with civilian-owned intelligence system, which is what Elon is about. It's not "Your army', it's not part of the military force (contrary to army trucks and tanks, or rifles, etc.), it's just some civilian-owned system that the military want to use but have no control over. If Elon Musk was actively building Starlink only for the military as part of their force, then it would be very different. But it's not the case. That's like if the military was using X for their main communication system, Elon would have 100% right to say "Look, I'm going to get killed and my company bombed by your stupid shit, I'm not the army, so get your shit together and get off my platform". Somethinh similar happened though, remember when Ukraine soldiers were bombed because people showed their location on Reddit? Whoops. Almost as if civilian stuff aren't made for war.

You can only "Counter-attack" if you've been attacked. France was not attacked yet when they declared war to Germany and prepared for initial attack. In fact, it was called "Drole de guerre" at the beginning because even though Germany and France were at war, there was barely any conflict.

Renault (French company) was the main supplier of the French army (actual Renault founder got a medal because he was also main supplier during WW1). Otherwise, they also used a bunch of other French companies (Citroen, CLM, etc.) or form other countries like UK. So even if Ford was out, they still had the majority of their armies

Even if they had no vehicles, French lost pathetically because they put all their forces on the "Ligne Maginot", and the German simply went around through Belgium. In fact, it would have maybe made things a little bit faster and reduce losses. If you're going to make such a bad analogy, at least take any other country than France which lost the war in 2 months.

It obviously has nothing to do with civilian-owned intelligence system, which is what Elon is about. It's not "Your army', it's not part of the military force (contrary to army trucks and tanks, or rifles, etc.), it's just some civilian-owned system that the military want to use but have no control over. If Elon Musk was actively building Starlink only for the military as part of their force, then it would be very different. But it's not the case. That's like if the military was using X for their main communication system, Elon would have 100% right to say "Look, I'm going to get killed and my company bombed by your stupid shit, I'm not the army, so get your shit together and get off my platform". Somethinh similar happened though, remember when Ukraine soldiers were bombed because people showed their location on Reddit? Whoops. Maybe using civilian tech isn't the best for military war. Almost as if civilian stuff aren't made for war.

You can only "Counter-attack" if you've been attacked. France was not attacked yet when they declared war to Germany and prepared for initial attack. In fact, it was called "Drole de guerre" at the beginning because even though Germany and France were at war, there was barely any conflict.

Renault (French company) was the main supplier of the French army (actual Renault founder got a medal because he was also main supplier during WW1). Otherwise, they also used a bunch of other French companies (Citroen, CLM, etc.) or form other countries like UK. So even if Ford was out, they still had the majority of their armies

Even if they had no vehicles, French lost pathetically because they put all their forces on the "Ligne Maginot", and the German simply went around through Belgium. In fact, it would have maybe made things a little bit faster and reduce losses. If you're going to make such a bad analogy, at least take any other country than France which lost the war in 2 months.

It obviously has nothing to do with civilian-owned intelligence system, which is what Elon is about. It's not "Your army', it's not part of the military force (contrary to army trucks and tanks, or rifles, etc.), it's just some civilian-owned system that the military want to use but have no control over. If Elon Musk was actively building Starlink only for the military as part of their force, then it would be very different. But it's not the case. That's like if the military was using X for their main communication system, Elon would have 100% right to say "Look, I'm going to get killed and my company bombed by your stupid shit, I'm not the army, so get your shit together and get off my platform". Somethinh similar happened though, remember when Ukraine soldiers were bombed because people showed their location on Reddit? Whoops. Maybe using civilian tech isn't the best for military war. Almost as if civilian stuff aren't made for war :thinking:

You can only "Counter-attack" if you've been attacked. France was not attacked yet when they declared war to Germany and prepared for initial attack. In fact, it was called "Drole de guerre" at the beginning because even though Germany and France were at war, there was barely any conflict.

Renault (French company) was the main supplier of the French army (actual Renault founder got a medal because he was also main supplier during WW1). Otherwise, they also used a bunch of other French companies (Citroen, CLM, etc.) or form other countries like UK. So even if Ford was out, they still had the majority of their armies

Even if they had no vehicles, French lost pathetically because they put all their forces on the "Ligne Maginot", and the German simply went around through Belgium. In fact, it would have maybe made things a little bit faster and reduce losses. If you're going to make such a bad analogy, at least take any other country than France which lost the war in 2 months.

It obviously has nothing to do with civilian-owned intelligence system, which is what Elon is about. It's not "Your army', it's not part of the military force (contrary to army trucks and tanks, or rifles, etc.), it's just some civilian-owned system that the military want to use but have no control over. If Elon Musk was actively building Starlink only for the military as part of their force, then it would be very different. But it's not the case. That's like if the military was using X for their main communication system, Elon would have 100% right to say "Look, I'm going to get killed and my company bombed by your stupid shit, I'm not the army, so get your shit together and get off my platform". Oh wait, that happened, remember when Ukraine soldiers were bombed because people showed their location on Reddit? Whoops.