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I would say that the disconnect is that I can buy what you're presenting as an argument that could be made, but then we go back to my original point of: this meme doesn't do a good job of illustrating why Jewish influence is so important because all it does is name a bunch of Jews while seeming to ignore all the non-Jews. Yes, you can then argue that many of the non-Jews are Jewish influenced, but you should have been making that clear in the first place, not when someone says "hey, what about all the non-Jews, this argument doesn't make any sense." When you have to respond to that, you're fighting uphill since you opened yourself up to what appears to be a very big flaw in the argument.

I understand that your point is that the cultural foundations of feminism are Jewish. What I'm saying is that this meme does very little to illustrate that. It just demonstrates that there are a lot of famous Jewish feminists, and while that in itself is potentially noteworthy, it fails to rise to the standard of the "every aspect" claim that it is presenting without further elaboration. Any failure to substantiate a claim inherently weakens that claim in the eyes of those who witness that failure. Particularly on a topic like this that most people are predisposed to reject. It's like launching a boat with a hole in it just because you're pretty sure you can pump out the water as you go. That may be the case, but why not repair the hole before launching?

Edit: Having reread my initial comments, I have to admit I've unintentionally moved my goalposts a bit. The best summary of my current position after this conversation would be that I am willing to engage with the idea that feminism is heavily Jewish influenced, even to the degree that it may not exist without Jewish influence, but I'm not exactly sold on the idea and I don't think this meme convinces me. I don't think it actually puts forth that argument. It claims to, but it ultimately does nothing to explain why Jewish culture is hypothetically critical to this ideology; pointing out that there is a lot of a group involved in something doesn't prove that they originated it, just that it suits them for one reason or another.

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: Original

I would say that the disconnect is that I can buy what you're presenting as an argument that could be made, but then we go back to my original point of: this meme doesn't do a good job of illustrating why Jewish influence is so important because all it does is name a bunch of Jews while seeming to ignore all the non-Jews. Yes, you can then argue that many of the non-Jews are Jewish influenced, but you should have been making that clear in the first place, not when someone says "hey, what about all the non-Jews, this argument doesn't make any sense." When you have to respond to that, you're fighting uphill since you opened yourself up to what appears to be a very big flaw in the argument.

I understand that your point is that the cultural foundations of feminism are Jewish. What I'm saying is that this meme does very little to illustrate that. It just demonstrates that there are a lot of famous Jewish feminists, and while that in itself is potentially noteworthy, it fails to rise to the standard of the "every aspect" claim that it is presenting without further elaboration. Any failure to substantiate a claim inherently weakens that claim in the eyes of those who witness that failure. Particularly on a topic like this that most people are predisposed to reject. It's like launching a boat with a hole in it just because you're pretty sure you can pump out the water as you go. That may be the case, but why not repair the hole before launching?

1 year ago
1 score