it was also that the Turks were not following the required combat doctrine of the Leopard

This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Tanks aren't just tanks. They are, in and of themselves, built into a pre-existing fighting doctrine and combined arms manual. You buy a tank? Cool, but it wasn't built for you. You're going to have to figure out how to make it work in your doctrine, or you have to take the Israeli route and "modify" the tank into something entirely different.

I will give Ukraine some credit in that they have had their own tanks, so they would probably be able to maintain them

They have thier tanks. Or should I say: Soviet tanks. Same problem.

So a high speed armored car with a tank-grade gun is probably exactly what they need.

I'm not surprised. It reminds me of the "Toyota War" in Chad. You strap a few Mark 19's to those sumbitches and it will do exactly the same thing a 19th century heavy cavalry charge would do: immediately route all nearyby infantry.

I don't care how advanced your army is. Two things are always true in every time period:

• Violence Of Action is the most important feature of combat that can (for a short time) defeat equipment, training, leadership, competence, and morale.
• 1000 rounds a minute, of whatever, causes suppression.

it was also that the Turks were not following the required combat doctrine of the Leopard

This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Tanks aren't just tanks. They are, in and of themselves, built into a pre-existing fighting doctrine and combined arms manual. You buy a tank? Cool, but it wasn't built for you. You're going to have to figure out how to make it work in your doctrine, or you have to take the Israeli route and "modify" the tank into something entirely different.

I will give Ukraine some credit in that they have had their own tanks, so they would probably be able to maintain them

They have thier tanks. Or should I say: Soviet tanks. Same problem.

So a high speed armored car with a tank-grade gun is probably exactly what they need.

I'm not surprised. It reminds me of the "Toyota War" in Chad. You strap a few Mark 19's to those sumbitches and it will do exactly the same thing a 19th century heavy cavalry charge would do: immediately route all nearyby infantry.

I don't care how advanced your army is. Two things are always true in every time period:

• Violence Of Action is the most important feature of combat that can (for a short time) defeat equipment, training, leadership, competence, and morale.
• 1000 rounds a minute, of whatever, causes suppression.