You didn't address the elephant in the room, the biggest point I made: banking.

Dude, companies aren't going to move manufacturing here without tariffs. It just won't happen.

We could, you know, dictate that American companies manufacture in America, or non-American companies which wish to sell in America do all that they can to manufacture in America. Many companies already do this (like car companies). That's what government is supposed to do, enact solutions beneficial for the people. But, since government is corrupt and hates us, we can't expect that to be done. So, in part, I agree with you, that our options are limited, but I still disagree that doing a tariff war right now will be devastating for most people.

So do wages and domestic employment.

Partially yes, but you're ignoring the fact that our wages began to stagnate (stopped keeping up with inflation) in 1971, when Nixon took us off the last vestiges of the gold standard. Trump's "solution" via tariffs, if he doesn't fix inflation and malicious banking practices, won't solve anything. It'll be a bandaid on a gushing wound.

On the flipside, if you have free for all outsourcing and mass immigration, prices go down. We've lived for 30 years under the low price regime and it's time to stop.

You're viewing the world from a modern lens, not realizing how bad things have gotten, and are falling into the false dichotomy trap, that it's an either/or scenario where both solutions fail. Our ancestors made good money, and products were cheap, not even going back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s. That's why fathers back then could work a blue collar job directly out of high school, and within a few years afford a house, a car, and support a wife and several children, without having to work himself to death. We can have good wages and cheap products. It's not an either/or option. But, like I said, this requires quashing bankers and malicious banking practices, which Trump (nor any other current politician) will do. Granted, it would be incredibly foolish to not also clamp down on feminism and mass foreign migration, but the lion's share of our problems stem from bankers.

Dude, companies aren't going to move manufacturing here without tariffs. It just won't happen.

We could, you know, dictate that American companies manufacture in America. That's what government is supposed to do, enact solutions beneficial for the people. But, since government is corrupt and hates us, we can't expect that to be done. So, in part, I agree with you, that our options are limited, but I still disagree that doing a tariff war right now will be devastating for most people.

So do wages and domestic employment.

Partially yes, but you're ignoring the fact that our wages began to stagnate (stopped keeping up with inflation) in 1971, when Nixon took us off the last vestiges of the gold standard. Trump's "solution" via tariffs, if he doesn't fix inflation and malicious banking practices, won't solve anything. It'll be a bandaid on a gushing wound.

On the flipside, if you have free for all outsourcing and mass immigration, prices go down. We've lived for 30 years under the low price regime and it's time to stop.

You're viewing the world from a modern lens, not realizing how bad things have gotten, and are falling into the false dichotomy trap, that it's an either/or scenario where both solutions fail. Our ancestors made good money, and products were cheap, not even going back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s. That's why fathers back then could work a blue collar job directly out of high school, and within a few years afford a house, a car, and support a wife and several children, without having to work himself to death. We can have good wages and cheap products. It's not an either/or option. But, like I said, this requires quashing bankers and malicious banking practices, which Trump (nor any other current politician) will do. Granted, it would be incredibly foolish to not also clamp down on feminism and mass foreign migration, but the lion's share of our problems stem from bankers.