They're still victims in my opinion, they just forfeit their redemption in most cases. And I only say most because I think that everyone can ultimately be forgiven, it can just take a lot to earn such forgiveness, even if I myself couldn't do that forgiving.

But it's important to remember this is why these freaks NEED to be stopped. It's not just to save the victims. It's to prevent more of them from becoming abusers.

They're still victims in my opinion, they just forfeit their redemption in most cases. And I only say most because I think that all can ultimately be forgiven, it can just take a lot to earn such forgiveness, even if I myself couldn't do that forgiving.

But it's important to remember this is why these freaks NEED to be stopped. It's not just to save the victims. It's to prevent more of them from becoming abusers.