Who are the pro-Russian types you follow on Telegram? The ones I follow engage in pretty appalling jingoism, calling their opponents 'Ukrainian pigs' and 'kholkhols'.

Here's my counterpoint:

1. Militarily, Russia has more territory than it started with, so it comes out ahead. Russia is unaffected, while Ukraine is in ruins (sad for the people whose government prostituted their supposed country to the West, but good for Russia). It's a barely viable terror regime propped up by remittances and weapons from the West. That's also a win.
2. Despite stealing $300 billion of Russian reserves and unprecedented sanctions, the Empire made barely a dent in the Russian economy. Showing the bankruptcy of their economic attacks on other countries is a win.
3. The sanctions forced Russia to move away from the dollar, and other countries are realizing that the US can just steal their money if they trade in dollars. Saudi Arabia is now selling oil to China in yuan, and Indonesia is working on its own payment systems.
4. Russia is now a vassal state to China, which is bad for Russia, but way worse for the empire.
5. The focus on Ukraine distracts from Taiwan, and like they say, if you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both. I'm pro-Taiwan, because it's not a shithole failed state like Ukraine, but imperial arrogance almost makes me root for the USG to lose there as well. Ideally you would have a peaceful unification with a Union treaty guaranteeing Taiwan's rights - losing one for the empire while doing no harm to Taiwan's population.

So far, I'm going with "imperial defeat". In fact, if Russia can keep this up without its economy collapsing or the US dragging Europe into a nuclear exchange, I'd say that this does more damage to the globalist regime than a quick Russian victory would have. The US and EU have no interest in Ukraine beyond their lust for power and empire. But to put all your cards on the table and then still lose to a country with 1/13 the military expenditure of the US is glorious.

Russia cannot lose. It has 4 times the military-aged manpower of Ukraine. It has vastly more industry. And like Obama said, it cares more about Ukraine than the Empire does, so it will always be able to establish escalatory dominance there. Right now, Russia is fighting with both hands tied behind its back. If Russia starts actually losing, it will take out one of those hands and stomp the corrupt non-country. If that doesn't help, the other hand comes out. If that doesn't work, China will send vast amounts of aid. Victory is impossible for the empire.

The question is who many Ukrainians have to die before their puppet regime can not longer coerce the populace into being Biden's cannon fodder. They will feel betrayed when they realize that the corrupt West sent them to their deaths to kill their Russian brothers, when there is no prospect of victory, but only for the corrupt interest of weakening Russia.

Who are the pro-Russian types you follow on Telegram? The ones I follow engage in pretty appalling jingoism, calling their opponents 'Ukrainian pigs' and 'kholkhols'.

Here's my counterpoint:

1. Militarily, Russia has more territory than it started with, so it comes out ahead. Russia is unaffected, while Ukraine is in ruins (sad for the people whose government prostituted their supposed country to the West, but good for Russia). It's a barely viable terror regime propped up by remittances and weapons from the West. That's also a win.
2. Despite stealing $300 billion of Russian reserves and unprecedented sanctions, the Empire made barely a dent in the Russian economy. Showing the bankruptcy of their economic attacks on other countries is a win.
3. The sanctions forced Russia to move away from the dollar, and other countries are realizing that the US can just steal their money if they trade in dollars. Saudi Arabia is now selling oil to China in yuan, and Indonesia is working on its own payment systems.
4. Russia is now a vassal state to China, which is bad for Russia, but way worse for the empire.
5. The focus on Ukraine distracts from Taiwan, and like they say, if you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both. I'm pro-Taiwan, because it's not a shithole failed state like Ukraine, but imperial arrogance almost makes me root for the USG to lose there as well.

So far, I'm going with "imperial defeat". In fact, if Russia can keep this up without its economy collapsing or the US dragging Europe into a nuclear exchange, I'd say that this does more damage to the globalist regime than a quick Russian victory would have. The US and EU have no interest in Ukraine beyond their lust for power and empire. But to put all your cards on the table and then still lose to a country with 1/13 the military expenditure of the US is glorious.

Russia cannot lose. It has 4 times the military-aged manpower of Ukraine. It has vastly more industry. And like Obama said, it cares more about Ukraine than the Empire does, so it will always be able to establish escalatory dominance there. Right now, Russia is fighting with both hands tied behind its back. If Russia starts actually losing, it will take out one of those hands and stomp the corrupt non-country. If that doesn't help, the other hand comes out. If that doesn't work, China will send vast amounts of aid. Victory is impossible for the empire.

The question is who many Ukrainians have to die before their puppet regime can not longer coerce the populace into being Biden's cannon fodder. They will feel betrayed when they realize that the corrupt West sent them to their deaths to kill their Russian brothers, when there is no prospect of victory, but only for the corrupt interest of weakening Russia.