Both men and women, including black men and women, could vote in some states as early as 1776. Voting was generally tied to owning property. Women who owned property in New Jersey, for example, could vote. The same goes for free black men and women who owned property.

The problem wasn't giving women or black people the right to vote, the problem was allowing people with no stake in society the right to vote.

IMHO detaching the right to vote from land ownership may have been a good move, but only if it could have been replaced by something else that indicates your stake in society. For starters, only people who pay more to the government in taxes than they receive in benefits should be allowed to vote. That would cut out half of the population right there.

The fatal flaw is giving people who contribute nothing to society the ability -- via voting -- to take from those who do contribute to society.

Both men and women, including black men and women, could vote in some states as early as 1776. Voting was generally tied to owning property. Women who owned property in New Jersey, for example, could vote. The same goes for free black men and women who owned property.

The problem wasn't giving women or black people the right to vote, the problem was allowing people with no stake in society the right to vote.

IMHO detaching the right to vote from land ownership may have been a good move, but only if it could have been replaced by something else that indicates your stake in society. For starters, only people who pay more to the government than they receive in return should be allowed to vote. That would cut out half of the population right there.

The fatal flaw is giving people who contribute nothing to society the ability -- via the vote -- to take from those who do.

Both men and women, including black men and women, could vote in some states as early as 1776. Voting was generally tied to owning property. Women who owned property in New Jersey, for example, could vote. The same goes for free black men and women who owned property.

The problem wasn't giving women or black people the right to vote, the problem was allowing people with no stake in society the right to vote.

IMHO detaching the right to vote from land ownership was a good move, but only if it could have been replaced by something else, which it wasn't. For starters, only people who pay more to the government than they receive in return should be allowed to vote. That would cut out half of the population right there.

The fatal flaw is giving people who contribute nothing to society the ability -- via the vote -- to take from those who do.

Both men and women, including black men and women, could vote in some states as early as 1776. Voting was generally tied to owning property. Women who owned property in New Jersey, for example, could vote. The same goes for free black men and women who owned property.

The problem wasn't giving women or black people the right to vote, the problem was allowing people with no stake in society the right to vote.

IMHO detaching the right to vote from land ownership was a good move, but only if it could have been replaced by something else, which it wasn't. For starters, only people who pay more to the government than they receive in return should be allowed to vote. That would cut out half of the population right there.