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“There were people who did quite well, who lived in nice two-story homes with pianos and chandeliers and nice furniture,” Ellsworth said. “(But) it’s important to remember though that the vast majority of people who lived in Greenwood were poor, and they lived in shanties and shacks.” Only months before the massacre, the National Association of Social Workers had a meeting in Tulsa and found that about 90% of the African American population lived without indoor plumbing.

https://archive.is/91q2s

There's the reality. Not your idealized notion that fits your personal beliefs.

Hell, you have to look to 250k+ annual income communities to find a "middle class" black area that conforms to your worldview.

Businesses to people doesn't make a lot of sense. That might include plenty of people who are not going to be working like children, women, and the elderly. Additionally, businesses are not 1:1. In places like this, you'd be looking at a major corporation employing a bulk of people.

The largest employer you're probably going to find in Greenwood would have been the Stradford Hotel. Most of the businesses were mom and pop shops. Most of the population were Tulsa service industry workers. NYT lists them all with a nifty 3d map, if you want to find something bigger. Seems the biggest, though. Try not to be so pedantic.

If it's "most people are fine", then there isn't really a discussion that needs to be had.

"Most people" aren't the problem. It's the few shitty ones that come disproportionately from certain demographics. Western society can handle some shit, but it doesn't take much to overload our processing ability. I don't pretend to be moderate, because I'm not, but I always judge individuals individually.

Culture explains the vast and sweeping majority of the differences both between and within races and ethnic groups.

It doesn't. Black British culture has the same disproportion of homicide we see in the US. The only difference is the smaller size of the Black British population relative to other demographic groups. The black population of the US has always been disproportionately criminal, for as long as we have records on it. Even Jefferson remarked on it, though he thought they could be taught morality some day. Is your working theory that Black British and African American culture are the same? Is it that African American culture has always been awful, and therefore conducive to this sort of behavior? Do you have more than excuses?

Low functioning MAOA makes more sense. We're still only talking about ~5% of the US black population, but it's plenty to cause issues.

Edit: Forgot to address the crime rate. https://archive.is/TusdI

However, Tulsa was also a deeply troubled town. Crime rates were extremely high, and the city had been plagued by vigilantism, including the August 1920 lynching, by a white mob, of a white teenager accused of murder. Newspaper reports confirmed that the Tulsa police had done little to protect the lynching victim, who had been taken from his jail cell at the county courthouse.

3 years ago
1 score
Reason: Original

“There were people who did quite well, who lived in nice two-story homes with pianos and chandeliers and nice furniture,” Ellsworth said. “(But) it’s important to remember though that the vast majority of people who lived in Greenwood were poor, and they lived in shanties and shacks.” Only months before the massacre, the National Association of Social Workers had a meeting in Tulsa and found that about 90% of the African American population lived without indoor plumbing.

https://archive.is/91q2s

There's the reality. Not your idealized notion that fits your personal beliefs.

Hell, you have to look to 250k+ annual income communities to find a "middle class" black area that conforms to your worldview.

Businesses to people doesn't make a lot of sense. That might include plenty of people who are not going to be working like children, women, and the elderly. Additionally, businesses are not 1:1. In places like this, you'd be looking at a major corporation employing a bulk of people.

The largest employer you're probably going to find in Greenwood would have been the Stradford Hotel. Most of the businesses were mom and pop shops. Most of the population were Tulsa service industry workers. NYT lists them all with a nifty 3d map, if you want to find something bigger. Seems the biggest, though. Try not to be so pedantic.

If it's "most people are fine", then there isn't really a discussion that needs to be had.

"Most people" aren't the problem. It's the few shitty ones that come disproportionately from certain demographics. Western society can handle some shit, but it doesn't take much to overload our processing ability. I don't pretend to be moderate, because I'm not, but I always judge individuals individually.

Culture explains the vast and sweeping majority of the differences both between and within races and ethnic groups.

It doesn't. Black British culture has the same disproportion of homicide we see in the US. The only difference is the smaller size of the Black British population relative to other demographic groups. The black population of the US has always been disproportionately criminal, for as long as we have records on it. Even Jefferson remarked on it, though he thought they could be taught morality some day. Is your working theory that Black British and African American culture are the same? Is it that African American culture has always been awful, and therefore conducive to this sort of behavior? Do you have more than excuses?

Low functioning MAOA makes more sense. We're still only talking about ~5% of the US black population, but it's plenty to cause issues.

3 years ago
1 score