I'm not totally up on what happened there, and it seems confirmed that there was a knife involved, but how many times do you shoot a man in the back for that?
I have to say that it sounds excessive force. And I think he just died.
At the start I was slightly leaning on excessive force but I'm leaning towards justifiable shooting at this point. He was fighting the cops right before the first video started recording. Another angle shows him breaking free of the cops and then him walking towards the car door.
Poor training or policy is what caused the cops to shoot him in my opinion. The guy should have never made it to the car door and been tackled and cuffed before reaching it.
As stated above, using a firearm in self defense means shooting until the threat has ended (i.e. is no longer capable of harming you). Unless you get lucky and tag something that instantly incapacitates (a direct hit to the brain), chances are that even a mortally wounded person will still be able to fight for up to 2-3 minutes, give or take, before blood loss renders them unconscious and therefore unable to fight back. This is further complicated that pistols and other such small caliber, lower velocity sidearms do not have enough "oomph" to get the job done like a rifle (much faster projectile) or shotgun (heavier/numerous projectile) would. Hence why a mag dump into the aggressor is warranted.
Note: The subject of "killing power" is hotly debated among gun people. i would recommend taking a detailed look at that particular subject from good sources to get a better idea of what I am rambling about.
Correct me if i'm wrong. But that problem of the person still being able to fight after being shot wouldnt be solved with more stopping power, like using a revolver?
I remember my dad always telling me that a 9mm would kill but you wouldnt know it while a revolver .38 would put you on the ground death or not
I'm not totally up on what happened there, and it seems confirmed that there was a knife involved, but how many times do you shoot a man in the back for that?
I have to say that it sounds excessive force. And I think he just died.
At the start I was slightly leaning on excessive force but I'm leaning towards justifiable shooting at this point. He was fighting the cops right before the first video started recording. Another angle shows him breaking free of the cops and then him walking towards the car door.
Poor training or policy is what caused the cops to shoot him in my opinion. The guy should have never made it to the car door and been tackled and cuffed before reaching it.
I'm reserving a conclusion in lieu of clearer evidence, still observing.
Shooting a man in the back 7 or 8 times sounds abusive to me at this point. But I wouldn't go out and set the city on fire in response either.
Why does it matter that it was in the back? Should they have asked him nicely to turn around so they could shoot him in the front?
Well yea. They should at least ask. Manners and all. =)
why are you trying to apply historic honor standards for duels to police interactions with violent criminal suspects
As stated above, using a firearm in self defense means shooting until the threat has ended (i.e. is no longer capable of harming you). Unless you get lucky and tag something that instantly incapacitates (a direct hit to the brain), chances are that even a mortally wounded person will still be able to fight for up to 2-3 minutes, give or take, before blood loss renders them unconscious and therefore unable to fight back. This is further complicated that pistols and other such small caliber, lower velocity sidearms do not have enough "oomph" to get the job done like a rifle (much faster projectile) or shotgun (heavier/numerous projectile) would. Hence why a mag dump into the aggressor is warranted.
Note: The subject of "killing power" is hotly debated among gun people. i would recommend taking a detailed look at that particular subject from good sources to get a better idea of what I am rambling about.
Correct me if i'm wrong. But that problem of the person still being able to fight after being shot wouldnt be solved with more stopping power, like using a revolver?
I remember my dad always telling me that a 9mm would kill but you wouldnt know it while a revolver .38 would put you on the ground death or not