But I'm pretty sure that literally no one has said that people who are religious -- in this case Christian -- are perfect examples of humanity who would never commit a crime. So why would it be surprising?
Plus, marriage isn't a prerequisite for a crime like this to occur; it was simply the set of circumstances. Furthermore, just because she says she's Christian doesn't mean she lives the beliefs. There's plenty of people out there willing to join a group in order to exploit it for power, money, or fame. Just look at all the scummy TV evangelicals over the years who con people.
Tying religion to this seems to be for the sole purpose of denigrating people who practice and labeling them hypocrites because some random cunt was a terrible person. It makes you seem like you have a problem with people who are religious -- even if that's not the case.
One of the things groups like ours have repeatedly said is that there's no group that doesn't have people in it that are bad people. Shit, we even see activists on the left naming their groups as something heroic or altruistic, only to turn around and commit crime and violence against people.
Keep in mind too, that the average Christian isn't someone seeking power and influence at government levels, they're just every day people. Finding a case of a woman killing her husband isn't some sort of indication of it happening with any sort of frequency. I'm quite positive it isn't particularly hard to find many more cases like this either.
I think I understand the point you're trying to make, that regardless of theology, or association, dealing with women and marriage are seemingly a detriment to men, but I don't necessarily agree. The only reason marriage seems like a stupid idea is because the judicial system heavily favors women and still believes that they're too delicate to face consequences, so they treat them with kids gloves.
It's not marriage that's the problem, it's the obvious bias that courts have that favor women.
Their situation was very obviously exceedingly abnormal as well:
Ms de Souza and her husband, who were parents to more than 50 biological and adopted children
(Emphasis mine)
I don't think a couple with 50 kids is representative of the average Christian family. But maybe I'm wrong?
Either way, I'd still prefer to take a chance on a girl with good values and morals who practices what is preached, than some screaming lunatic who believes they're a perpetual victim of society and that morals and values are a social construct by racist white people.
A lot of people seem to think a woman with good values and a Christian belief system is going to be perfect. That's why I made this post. You're spinning the chamber no matter what, and you don't know how many bullets are loaded until it's up against your head and you're pulling the trigger.
I'll give you credit for not launching into personal attacks or weird conspiracy theories that I'm secretly supporting BLM.
I wasn't intending to attack religion, just the whole argument that if you find a Christian woman, everything will be fine.
The law won't change without action, in my opinion. The only way to make it change is to force it, by avoiding marriage until they have to face the issue.
I typically don't and wouldn't attack someone personally for having a different opinion. I'm more than comfortable enough in my beliefs and who I am as a person. I've dealt with my share of women and relationships and have had experiences with them across the spectrum. I've dated girls heavily into kinky shit and threesomes, and I've dated girls who were boringly vanilla. My takeaway from it was that there's absolutely no glass slipper that fits women perfectly; however, I'd say that applies to all people overall. We're all individuals and shouldn't be bound by stereotypes and tribalism. Unlike many people though, I don't believe our individuality makes us "special," but instead, is simply a truth and inherent to everyone.
We deal with many things throughout our lives that are similar to "spinning the chamber," but to me, in many of those instances, I think it's still worth playing. I know the people you're talking about who almost fetishize certain groups and think they're perfect, but I think anyone with an expectation of perfection isn't only delusional and maybe even mentally deficient. Simple common sense would should elucidate the fact that perfection is a fallacy; if you're expecting it you're only setting yourself up for disappointment.
I figured you probably weren't trying to attack religion as a whole, which is why I mentioned how it could be misinterpreted that way. I can't really fault people for getting a bit defensive about it either when you consider the shit many Christians have had to deal with the last few years. But it's all cleared up now, so hopefully people read to understand that.
I, too, don't think the judicial system will change. At least, not any time soon. A cursory glance of how the system is being politicized and judges are making rulings based on party lines and their feelings clearly demonstrates a lot of the problems that are concomitant to it presently. I'm not sure if it can be forced either, though. I personally believe the best way to initiate change at a judicial level is to publicly highlight the failures of justice that are occurring around the country. The more exposure their failures receive the more people will begin to demand for accountability and action.
The main issue I see at the moment is finding a platform to highlight these issues. Even avoiding marriage isn't a solution when many states have common law marriage simply by living with each other for extended periods. And I don't think the solution to this is to avoid relationships altogether.
Supposedly, some bits in the New Testament were added later. Notably, the part that put the Church under overall male control. (Female monastic orders did exist, and did run themselves, but they ultimately reported to the all-male bishops.
What if they noticed what we're noticing? That, outside of a few Lady Thatchers, men are not fit to rule closely over women, and women are not fit to rule men at all.
But I'm pretty sure that literally no one has said that people who are religious -- in this case Christian -- are perfect examples of humanity who would never commit a crime. So why would it be surprising?
Plus, marriage isn't a prerequisite for a crime like this to occur; it was simply the set of circumstances. Furthermore, just because she says she's Christian doesn't mean she lives the beliefs. There's plenty of people out there willing to join a group in order to exploit it for power, money, or fame. Just look at all the scummy TV evangelicals over the years who con people.
Tying religion to this seems to be for the sole purpose of denigrating people who practice and labeling them hypocrites because some random cunt was a terrible person. It makes you seem like you have a problem with people who are religious -- even if that's not the case.
One of the things groups like ours have repeatedly said is that there's no group that doesn't have people in it that are bad people. Shit, we even see activists on the left naming their groups as something heroic or altruistic, only to turn around and commit crime and violence against people.
Keep in mind too, that the average Christian isn't someone seeking power and influence at government levels, they're just every day people. Finding a case of a woman killing her husband isn't some sort of indication of it happening with any sort of frequency. I'm quite positive it isn't particularly hard to find many more cases like this either.
I think I understand the point you're trying to make, that regardless of theology, or association, dealing with women and marriage are seemingly a detriment to men, but I don't necessarily agree. The only reason marriage seems like a stupid idea is because the judicial system heavily favors women and still believes that they're too delicate to face consequences, so they treat them with kids gloves.
It's not marriage that's the problem, it's the obvious bias that courts have that favor women.
Their situation was very obviously exceedingly abnormal as well:
(Emphasis mine)
I don't think a couple with 50 kids is representative of the average Christian family. But maybe I'm wrong?
Either way, I'd still prefer to take a chance on a girl with good values and morals who practices what is preached, than some screaming lunatic who believes they're a perpetual victim of society and that morals and values are a social construct by racist white people.
A lot of people seem to think a woman with good values and a Christian belief system is going to be perfect. That's why I made this post. You're spinning the chamber no matter what, and you don't know how many bullets are loaded until it's up against your head and you're pulling the trigger.
I'll give you credit for not launching into personal attacks or weird conspiracy theories that I'm secretly supporting BLM.
I wasn't intending to attack religion, just the whole argument that if you find a Christian woman, everything will be fine.
The law won't change without action, in my opinion. The only way to make it change is to force it, by avoiding marriage until they have to face the issue.
I typically don't and wouldn't attack someone personally for having a different opinion. I'm more than comfortable enough in my beliefs and who I am as a person. I've dealt with my share of women and relationships and have had experiences with them across the spectrum. I've dated girls heavily into kinky shit and threesomes, and I've dated girls who were boringly vanilla. My takeaway from it was that there's absolutely no glass slipper that fits women perfectly; however, I'd say that applies to all people overall. We're all individuals and shouldn't be bound by stereotypes and tribalism. Unlike many people though, I don't believe our individuality makes us "special," but instead, is simply a truth and inherent to everyone.
We deal with many things throughout our lives that are similar to "spinning the chamber," but to me, in many of those instances, I think it's still worth playing. I know the people you're talking about who almost fetishize certain groups and think they're perfect, but I think anyone with an expectation of perfection isn't only delusional and maybe even mentally deficient. Simple common sense would should elucidate the fact that perfection is a fallacy; if you're expecting it you're only setting yourself up for disappointment.
I figured you probably weren't trying to attack religion as a whole, which is why I mentioned how it could be misinterpreted that way. I can't really fault people for getting a bit defensive about it either when you consider the shit many Christians have had to deal with the last few years. But it's all cleared up now, so hopefully people read to understand that.
I, too, don't think the judicial system will change. At least, not any time soon. A cursory glance of how the system is being politicized and judges are making rulings based on party lines and their feelings clearly demonstrates a lot of the problems that are concomitant to it presently. I'm not sure if it can be forced either, though. I personally believe the best way to initiate change at a judicial level is to publicly highlight the failures of justice that are occurring around the country. The more exposure their failures receive the more people will begin to demand for accountability and action.
The main issue I see at the moment is finding a platform to highlight these issues. Even avoiding marriage isn't a solution when many states have common law marriage simply by living with each other for extended periods. And I don't think the solution to this is to avoid relationships altogether.
Supposedly, some bits in the New Testament were added later. Notably, the part that put the Church under overall male control. (Female monastic orders did exist, and did run themselves, but they ultimately reported to the all-male bishops.
What if they noticed what we're noticing? That, outside of a few Lady Thatchers, men are not fit to rule closely over women, and women are not fit to rule men at all.
It's not an unfair criticism. But in counterpoint: she is a politician, so I'm not surprised she thought she would get away with this.
The 50 kids also throw up flags, yes.