Put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame, ban lifted
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Joe batted .375 and OBP of near 400 for that series.
Pete claims he only bet on his own team, to my knowledge no one has been able to cite any games where signs of impropriety took place. One can argue he has insider knowledge and can put in relief aces on days he really needed that W. Okay, even that can look sus and I never heard dates cited.
Given how incestuous MLB and all professional sports are with gambling theses days they don't have a leg to stand on.
Just put them in the new FanDuel's Ultimate Degen Wing and close the book on this stupid debate once and for all.
Wait, I thought betting "on your own team" WAS the worst possible crime?
Betting on games you have no influence over (or insider knowledge of) would be almost excusable, but still against the rules.
Betting on your team to win OR lose is dirty. Disgraceful. That MLB loves gambling now isn't relevant, Rose broke the biggest rule & invalidates his entire career.
tldr: Nothing he did with gambling made him a worse player, but I get where you're coming from.
He claims he only bet on his own team to win is it scummy? Sure, but it's degrees of magnitude better than betting to lose imo.
My litmus being Rose making managerial decision worse than Brian Snitker makes on a typical day from late Sept to early Oct.
I think "invalidates his entire career" is a little bombastic, it tarnished his career, destroyed his character yes, but he didn't bet he'd rack up 4200+ hits and if he did, shit, maybe people should start betting on themselves.
Sidenote, players bet on their own team using insider info all the time, most are just smart enough to get friends and family to do it for them. If that is the reality, then I want leagues to be more vigilant on stat based tracking for throwing, point shaving and game fixing. My position: if you bet your team to win, you're scum but go with God, if you bet your team to lose and contribute towards it, your ass is done.
Side-Sidenote: Sean Payton is still a head coach. Bounty Gate was way worse. Doesn't excuse Pete Rose, but Sean Payton is still a head coach.
True enough, expecting fairness or consistency from MLB Head Office (Or NHL either!) is a lot to ask for :/
Easier to just open the doors to everyone with no possible exclusion.
The BBHOF has tarnished itself so many times, it's pretty dirty to begin with.
Shoeless admitted to taking money to lose
during the trial he recanted his confession saying they got him drunk and had him sign something when he's illiterate.
Could he be lying? Sure, but early 1900s interview by Cook county prosecutors? It's 50/50 imo and his stats made it 51/49 of me siding with he got fucked.