"Think of Auntie Semitism!" and "This high profile example of the thing that is obviously happening will make people believe that thing that is obviously happening, so it must be stopped." are not courageous.
“Jewish people are contributing to antisemitism by doing things that generate antisemitism.”
How else would antisemitism exist? As if it is some sort of unique arbitrary baseless metaphysical phenomenon and not a direct and rational reaction to observable stimuli. Antisemitism exists for the same reason you cross the street to avoid a pack of black teenagers.
I gotta track down that old study showing that stereotypes have a higher degree of accuracy than virtually all of social science.
Come to think of it, most of social science is really just stolen valor. “Your ancestors didn’t know that the earth revolved around the sun, or that harmful microscopic organisms exist, therefore all of your ancestors’ observations regarding human nature are completely invalid.” The historical limitations of legitimate hard science do not automatically invalidate the learned wisdom resulting from generations of human interaction.
I have a whole rant about how physics essentially stumbling into profound explanatory power throughout the 18th and 19th C, through nothing but dogged following of evidence and first principles, mind-broke the humanities and soft sciences. They then rebuilt themselves as cargo-cult physics and have never recovered.
No, no, no. People have hated the Jews for thousands of years, for no reason. They're just jealous and antisemitic!
It's just such a weird argument. No matter how anyone feels about Da Jews, that's clearly not all there is to it. If it was only modern day, you could at least make the argument it was just resentment or jealousy at Jewish success. But that argument loses a lot of weight when it's pretty consistent for thousands of years, and globally.
Note, I'm not even making the argument it's warranted, or unwarranted, or whatever. Just that the argument doesn't make a lot of sense, and there must be something more to it.
People don't just randomly hate the Jews specifically "because fuck those guys in particular" consistently, for millennia.
There are plenty of examples of jews that are legitimately detestable. Soros is a comic book villain grade of evil, and i would argue that the way the modern Israel was formed was unethical. The banking institutions are frequently anti-american. The problem with "it's the JOOOS" retards isn't that there aren't evil jews, it's that they are part of the ape mindset that refuses to see the forest for the trees.
You can more accurately identify enemies by ideology than by race. Soros et al aren't motivated by religion or ethnic background. Plenty of the globalist elite are not jewish. Going "reeeee skin color / ethnic background" is ignoring the better identifiers of enemy action, discarding potential allies and ignoring enemies based on a retarded set of standards.
Buying into "it's all (ethnic group)" is literally what the globalists want. It served to create conflict between people that could work against their interests, and lets them manipulate all the conflicting parties to their own ends.
If we got gay communism, the globalists win. If we got literal american national socialism, the elites still win in the end because subverting leftist power structures is their bread and butter - even if the original leader wasn't a deranged faggot (unlikely). The enemy is the sociopathic power grubbing goblin, not all jews or just jews, etc.
All attempts at infringing on human rights and creating leftist government must be destroyed - like this one.
Not sure why you're lecturing me. I didn't say Jews are responsibly for everything. I even was very clear that I wasn't saying antisemitism was right.
I said antisemitism doesn't just spring up out of thin air. People don't hate the Jews because they just want to hate the Jews, because hating the Jews is so dang cool. There's more to it. Just like with anti-black racism, for some people it is just poorly directed hate...and for others it's pattern recognition.
This whole 'people are antisemitic because they hate Jews' is a ridiculously circular argument.
Also, by your logic of 'you can't complain about Jews because there are bad nonjews as well' we also can't complain about any group. Can't complain about blacks, because whites can be violent too. Can't complain about gays, straight people rape kids too.
I agree that anyone who says all Jews are evil is silly. Or someone who says everything is the fault of the Jews is silly. But completely denying trends, distribution, and per capita behavior is also silly.
My core point was simple, though. Racism and prejudice aren't something that just pops out of the void and grabs ahold of people. For better or worse, for good or bad, people have reasons for their prejudices. This idea a lot of people float that antisemitism is some near-magical evil force is ludicrous.
He is correct, though. Most of the anti-antisemitism laws only fuel more antisemitism. And, if that's something you care about, it is worth calling out. And, if you're coming at it from a freedom angle, it's still worth calling out, because it's a good logical argument to point out these acts won't even accomplish the stated goals.
As to "courage," which is the main point...while not the most courageous stance he could have taken, I still thinking opening your mouth at all on this issue, especially coming out against it (for whatever reason), is more courageous than keeping your mouth shut. This is a very loaded topic, and he could still get in major trouble for even a stance as relatively milquetoast as this.
I'm willing to give him partial points for this, for sure.
I give him all the credit in the world. Same to Matt Walsh. These two are advocating for a principled equality in the face of brazen philosemitism. Attacking obvious double standards is probably the only safe play for men in their positions. It’s an important starting point for necessary future conversations.
"Think of Auntie Semitism!" and "This high profile example of the thing that is obviously happening will make people believe that thing that is obviously happening, so it must be stopped." are not courageous.
It’s such an aggressive form of gaslighting.
“Jewish people are contributing to antisemitism by doing things that generate antisemitism.”
How else would antisemitism exist? As if it is some sort of unique arbitrary baseless metaphysical phenomenon and not a direct and rational reaction to observable stimuli. Antisemitism exists for the same reason you cross the street to avoid a pack of black teenagers.
Oh, what's that? Harmful STEREOTYPES?!
I gotta track down that old study showing that stereotypes have a higher degree of accuracy than virtually all of social science.
Come to think of it, most of social science is really just stolen valor. “Your ancestors didn’t know that the earth revolved around the sun, or that harmful microscopic organisms exist, therefore all of your ancestors’ observations regarding human nature are completely invalid.” The historical limitations of legitimate hard science do not automatically invalidate the learned wisdom resulting from generations of human interaction.
I have a whole rant about how physics essentially stumbling into profound explanatory power throughout the 18th and 19th C, through nothing but dogged following of evidence and first principles, mind-broke the humanities and soft sciences. They then rebuilt themselves as cargo-cult physics and have never recovered.
No, no, no. People have hated the Jews for thousands of years, for no reason. They're just jealous and antisemitic!
It's just such a weird argument. No matter how anyone feels about Da Jews, that's clearly not all there is to it. If it was only modern day, you could at least make the argument it was just resentment or jealousy at Jewish success. But that argument loses a lot of weight when it's pretty consistent for thousands of years, and globally.
Note, I'm not even making the argument it's warranted, or unwarranted, or whatever. Just that the argument doesn't make a lot of sense, and there must be something more to it.
People don't just randomly hate the Jews specifically "because fuck those guys in particular" consistently, for millennia.
There are plenty of examples of jews that are legitimately detestable. Soros is a comic book villain grade of evil, and i would argue that the way the modern Israel was formed was unethical. The banking institutions are frequently anti-american. The problem with "it's the JOOOS" retards isn't that there aren't evil jews, it's that they are part of the ape mindset that refuses to see the forest for the trees.
You can more accurately identify enemies by ideology than by race. Soros et al aren't motivated by religion or ethnic background. Plenty of the globalist elite are not jewish. Going "reeeee skin color / ethnic background" is ignoring the better identifiers of enemy action, discarding potential allies and ignoring enemies based on a retarded set of standards.
Buying into "it's all (ethnic group)" is literally what the globalists want. It served to create conflict between people that could work against their interests, and lets them manipulate all the conflicting parties to their own ends.
If we got gay communism, the globalists win. If we got literal american national socialism, the elites still win in the end because subverting leftist power structures is their bread and butter - even if the original leader wasn't a deranged faggot (unlikely). The enemy is the sociopathic power grubbing goblin, not all jews or just jews, etc.
All attempts at infringing on human rights and creating leftist government must be destroyed - like this one.
Your "stop noticing things" routine is so tedious.
Not sure why you're lecturing me. I didn't say Jews are responsibly for everything. I even was very clear that I wasn't saying antisemitism was right.
I said antisemitism doesn't just spring up out of thin air. People don't hate the Jews because they just want to hate the Jews, because hating the Jews is so dang cool. There's more to it. Just like with anti-black racism, for some people it is just poorly directed hate...and for others it's pattern recognition.
This whole 'people are antisemitic because they hate Jews' is a ridiculously circular argument.
Also, by your logic of 'you can't complain about Jews because there are bad nonjews as well' we also can't complain about any group. Can't complain about blacks, because whites can be violent too. Can't complain about gays, straight people rape kids too.
I agree that anyone who says all Jews are evil is silly. Or someone who says everything is the fault of the Jews is silly. But completely denying trends, distribution, and per capita behavior is also silly.
My core point was simple, though. Racism and prejudice aren't something that just pops out of the void and grabs ahold of people. For better or worse, for good or bad, people have reasons for their prejudices. This idea a lot of people float that antisemitism is some near-magical evil force is ludicrous.
He is correct, though. Most of the anti-antisemitism laws only fuel more antisemitism. And, if that's something you care about, it is worth calling out. And, if you're coming at it from a freedom angle, it's still worth calling out, because it's a good logical argument to point out these acts won't even accomplish the stated goals.
As to "courage," which is the main point...while not the most courageous stance he could have taken, I still thinking opening your mouth at all on this issue, especially coming out against it (for whatever reason), is more courageous than keeping your mouth shut. This is a very loaded topic, and he could still get in major trouble for even a stance as relatively milquetoast as this.
I'm willing to give him partial points for this, for sure.
I give him all the credit in the world. Same to Matt Walsh. These two are advocating for a principled equality in the face of brazen philosemitism. Attacking obvious double standards is probably the only safe play for men in their positions. It’s an important starting point for necessary future conversations.
Good point, and agreed.
Countersignaling an expansion of Jewish power will be taken by Charlie's donors as exactly that, no matter how he dresses it up.