Wicked absolutely flopped overseas. $200 million total box office so far, but 75% of that is domestic. This suggests very limited legs. Against a $160 million budget, assuming ghostbusters 2016 math, Wicked needs to clear $450 million to break even. Seems unlikely.
Gladiator 2 is sort of the opposite. $314 million, and over half of it coming from international markets. Could possibly hit half a billion. But a $250 million budgets means it has almost no chance to break even.
These are not hits. These are actually mediocre performers with decent chances to become flops. Hollywood’s personal media is hyping up the absolute numbers in order to create the illusion of success.
Considering how many ads I’ve seen for it I believe that. I do everything I can to block ads and I’ve still seen dozens while hanging out with normies at their houses.
Pedowood has spent huge sums of money trying to get people to watch their woke shit recently.
I'll be interested in a movie with a White cast and a male lead in a positive role and no bashing or shaming White peoples and their traditions. An impossible task for Holywood.
You can get that, if its a feelbad holocaust movie. American conservatism is highly regarded when they need you to do their dirty work.
Remember Brad Pitt in Inglorious Bastards? When is a man from Appalachia ever portrayed as heroic and not an inbred racist? When he is fighting the natsees.
I was on the shitter the other day and reading whatever my phone's algo shows me in the news and one of them was from yahoo (written by Out): Here's every box office record broken by 'Wicked's opening weekend
I said okay, I'll bite, show me the "records" it broke
Fourth biggest opening weekend of all time for a musical film (domestic).
Fifth biggest opening weekend of all time for a musical film (worldwide).
Third biggest opening weekend for a film released in 2024 (domestic).
Biggest opening weekend for a non-sequel movie released in 2024 (worldwide).
10th biggest opening weekend of all time for a film released in November (domestic).
Biggest first day of all time for a film based on a Broadway musical.
Biggest opening weekend for a film based on a Broadway show (domestic & worldwide).
Biggest opening weekend for a film starring Cynthia Erivo (Note: 2018's Widows ($12 million) and 2019's Harriet ($11 million) LOLZ!)
Biggest opening weekend for a film starring a pop star (domestic).
Biggest opening weekend of all time for a movie directed by Jon M. Chu (domestic & worldwide).
It’s like gerrymandering. And their version of “fact checking”. They just conjure ever-more bizarre criteria until they can safely crown themselves triumphant in a meaningless competition that only exists in their own minds.
And they're all subject to inflation fiscally and of scope.
I'd love a ranking of these things by Return On Investment. Biggest opening weekend by R.O.I. I think goes to Joker, but in subsections it would still be interesting to see, since many Broadway Musical movies use B-listers, and thus are much cheaper to make.
All of them are trash: 'Moama II' (ethnic Disney princesses are cooler than the pale ones, BLM!) and 'Wicked' (redeeming an evil witch feminist agitprop) are for the feminist girlboss crowd and 'Glad-iator II' (the Romans were diverse too, too many white people on screen makes for a Klan gathering, after all) is more DEI garbage.
Macrimus was a Berber, by the way. They look more European than sub-Saharan African.
From what I heard, Moama II succeeding might be bad for Hollywood because they outsourced the animators than use LA ones so they might continue that trend.
Wicked is a musical isn't so that isn't my scene anyway so other than one of the leads batching out online, I know nothing.
I know Gladiator II cut some scenes that were more gay inferring so that might be the takeaway.
This is all under the context of thanksgiving so people are more inclined to go to the cinema as a family outing.
Moama is also a musical. That makes two musicals. And I'm just going to assume Glad-iator II is also a musical, with Hollywoke giving the shaft to the male audience for so long.
Moana is the disney sequel to one of their films that was legitimately hugely popular with kids. It was always going to make a solid buck. Frozen 2 made a shit ton of money as well off the same trend, it was also completely forgotten about and no one cares that it exists.
Wicked is a psyopped broadway "megahit" that every woman got convinced to go see at some point and become emotionally invested in. Just like Les Mis a decade ago, its part of the basic white girl cultural history now.
Woke or not, there is a lot more going on in the industry than just these singular deciding factors. And it takes something serious (like the brown slut in Snow White constantly going off) to really start taking down these additional factors.
Vandalizing culture to ''correct'' the first one that unforgivably featured a totally Nordic cast, by changing the kingom of Frozen II into 2015 London.
Also the story became ''White rulers opressing brown people ( implied Sami )'' to please Leftists who can't help themselves and paint the Sami as brown ''indigenous'' vs White opressors ( Scandinavian / Finish / Russian up north ).
I've only seen Moana and Frozen once and not the sequels but I think it was Peterson that said it wont do well because it's fundamentally not a mythical story like previous classic Disney movies are.
I think there's something too that, people can't really tell you why they like them whereas they could with (original) snow white for example.
Moana functions pretty well like any other mythical fairy tale type story. Its flavored towards Polynesians but has no other fundamental difference. But that's likely why any followup can't work, because sequels to fairy tales never have the same magic.
Its why nearly every Disney sequel in the past was regulated to DTV lower budget releases. Because they weren't going to have the same level of soul, but could work for super fans. Which based on what I've seen so far, is the only people interested in Moana 2.
Frozen was them showing their own greed at it being a billion dollar franchise machine and them wanting to dip on another movie, and the complete lack of value showed through. Which is why it was the first sequel that got a theater release since, I think, Rescuers 2 in the 80s.
I thought the story was fine, aside from the "call to adventure" mythos being answered by a Girl. I'm confident enough to say that little Girls do not dream of adventuring over the horizon into the unknown to save their people.
At a very young age, I think there is a decent amount of girls who probably enjoy adventure and the like. One of my daughters was one of them before puberty made that gender difference a lot wider. And the "rebelling against your no-fun dad, escaping your tiny town and traveling the world" is such a basic girl personality I think it can appeal across the board.
I don't think its any worse than the majority of Disney's back catalogue in terms of women and their actions. And because its all non-whites they didn't feel the need to hamfist a bunch of other woke writing in it, which allowed a genuine badass male to be her partner for the duration with expected flaws.
I get a lot of animation related videos recommended to me on YouTube, since I'm an animation nut. Sadly, most animation Youtubers are completely insane with leftism these days. One trend I'm seeing though, is that they all absolutely hate Moana 2. So I'm not sure how much if a success it's going to be in the long run, when all the word of mouth is negative.
“Big bucks” is a relative term.
Wicked absolutely flopped overseas. $200 million total box office so far, but 75% of that is domestic. This suggests very limited legs. Against a $160 million budget, assuming ghostbusters 2016 math, Wicked needs to clear $450 million to break even. Seems unlikely.
Gladiator 2 is sort of the opposite. $314 million, and over half of it coming from international markets. Could possibly hit half a billion. But a $250 million budgets means it has almost no chance to break even.
These are not hits. These are actually mediocre performers with decent chances to become flops. Hollywood’s personal media is hyping up the absolute numbers in order to create the illusion of success.
I also heard a rumor that Wicked has an absolutely monstrous marketing budget. If true, it's on the path to disappointment.
Considering how many ads I’ve seen for it I believe that. I do everything I can to block ads and I’ve still seen dozens while hanging out with normies at their houses.
Look up the Wicked shop in Universal Studios theme parks.
Pedowood has spent huge sums of money trying to get people to watch their woke shit recently.
I'll be interested in a movie with a White cast and a male lead in a positive role and no bashing or shaming White peoples and their traditions. An impossible task for Holywood.
You can get that, if its a feelbad holocaust movie. American conservatism is highly regarded when they need you to do their dirty work.
Remember Brad Pitt in Inglorious Bastards? When is a man from Appalachia ever portrayed as heroic and not an inbred racist? When he is fighting the natsees.
It definitely looks like an overbudgeted and bloated mess.
I was on the shitter the other day and reading whatever my phone's algo shows me in the news and one of them was from yahoo (written by Out): Here's every box office record broken by 'Wicked's opening weekend
I said okay, I'll bite, show me the "records" it broke
Fourth biggest opening weekend of all time for a musical film (domestic).
Fifth biggest opening weekend of all time for a musical film (worldwide).
Third biggest opening weekend for a film released in 2024 (domestic).
Biggest opening weekend for a non-sequel movie released in 2024 (worldwide).
10th biggest opening weekend of all time for a film released in November (domestic).
Biggest first day of all time for a film based on a Broadway musical.
Biggest opening weekend for a film based on a Broadway show (domestic & worldwide).
Biggest opening weekend for a film starring Cynthia Erivo (Note: 2018's Widows ($12 million) and 2019's Harriet ($11 million) LOLZ!)
Biggest opening weekend for a film starring a pop star (domestic).
Biggest opening weekend of all time for a movie directed by Jon M. Chu (domestic & worldwide).
Oh, you made it through this list of records? Here's my go to reaction for shit like this
It’s like gerrymandering. And their version of “fact checking”. They just conjure ever-more bizarre criteria until they can safely crown themselves triumphant in a meaningless competition that only exists in their own minds.
And they're all subject to inflation fiscally and of scope.
I'd love a ranking of these things by Return On Investment. Biggest opening weekend by R.O.I. I think goes to Joker, but in subsections it would still be interesting to see, since many Broadway Musical movies use B-listers, and thus are much cheaper to make.
I think opening weekend ROI goes that belongs to Split by M. Night Shyamaldingdong
Budget 9 million opening weekend of 40 million. Compared to Joker's 55 million budget and 100 million opening.
Maybe some old sub mil film from the 70s or 80s had a better weekend but I'm too lazy to check, I just remember Split being an outlier.
Ironically, that certainly subverts my expectations, a Shamalan movie doing well!
What a tweest!
Honestly surprised by Wicked. The musical is pretty beloved outside of America as well, so I expected it to have more draw.
All of them are trash: 'Moama II' (ethnic Disney princesses are cooler than the pale ones, BLM!) and 'Wicked' (redeeming an evil witch feminist agitprop) are for the feminist girlboss crowd and 'Glad-iator II' (the Romans were diverse too, too many white people on screen makes for a Klan gathering, after all) is more DEI garbage.
Macrimus was a Berber, by the way. They look more European than sub-Saharan African.
Lol. Not even Disney believes that. They know Frozen is their big bucks franchise
Moama got a huge uptick in popularity after the BLM uprising.
Yeah they aren't ''black''. Some tribes look much more European than others.
Here are a bunch of Kabyle ( Berber ) women.
From what I heard, Moama II succeeding might be bad for Hollywood because they outsourced the animators than use LA ones so they might continue that trend.
Wicked is a musical isn't so that isn't my scene anyway so other than one of the leads batching out online, I know nothing.
I know Gladiator II cut some scenes that were more gay inferring so that might be the takeaway.
This is all under the context of thanksgiving so people are more inclined to go to the cinema as a family outing.
Moama is also a musical. That makes two musicals. And I'm just going to assume Glad-iator II is also a musical, with Hollywoke giving the shaft to the male audience for so long.
The only musical I think I actually liked was Bugsy Malone, so yeah I ain't the target audience lol.
Oh Brother Where Art Thou is subversive as all hell but still a fun movie with good songs
I didn't think of that movie as a musical, but it kind of is. Good movie despite Clooney being too corny.
Moana is the disney sequel to one of their films that was legitimately hugely popular with kids. It was always going to make a solid buck. Frozen 2 made a shit ton of money as well off the same trend, it was also completely forgotten about and no one cares that it exists.
Wicked is a psyopped broadway "megahit" that every woman got convinced to go see at some point and become emotionally invested in. Just like Les Mis a decade ago, its part of the basic white girl cultural history now.
Woke or not, there is a lot more going on in the industry than just these singular deciding factors. And it takes something serious (like the brown slut in Snow White constantly going off) to really start taking down these additional factors.
Vandalizing culture to ''correct'' the first one that unforgivably featured a totally Nordic cast, by changing the kingom of Frozen II into 2015 London.
Also the story became ''White rulers opressing brown people ( implied Sami )'' to please Leftists who can't help themselves and paint the Sami as brown ''indigenous'' vs White opressors ( Scandinavian / Finish / Russian up north ).
The Sami are Finno-Ugric peoples ( so White ).
Here is a Sami young man
Here is a Sami girl.
So North Europeans.
They just cannot accept that "indigenous" people in Europe are white.
I've only seen Moana and Frozen once and not the sequels but I think it was Peterson that said it wont do well because it's fundamentally not a mythical story like previous classic Disney movies are. I think there's something too that, people can't really tell you why they like them whereas they could with (original) snow white for example.
Moana functions pretty well like any other mythical fairy tale type story. Its flavored towards Polynesians but has no other fundamental difference. But that's likely why any followup can't work, because sequels to fairy tales never have the same magic.
Its why nearly every Disney sequel in the past was regulated to DTV lower budget releases. Because they weren't going to have the same level of soul, but could work for super fans. Which based on what I've seen so far, is the only people interested in Moana 2.
Frozen was them showing their own greed at it being a billion dollar franchise machine and them wanting to dip on another movie, and the complete lack of value showed through. Which is why it was the first sequel that got a theater release since, I think, Rescuers 2 in the 80s.
I thought the story was fine, aside from the "call to adventure" mythos being answered by a Girl. I'm confident enough to say that little Girls do not dream of adventuring over the horizon into the unknown to save their people.
At a very young age, I think there is a decent amount of girls who probably enjoy adventure and the like. One of my daughters was one of them before puberty made that gender difference a lot wider. And the "rebelling against your no-fun dad, escaping your tiny town and traveling the world" is such a basic girl personality I think it can appeal across the board.
I don't think its any worse than the majority of Disney's back catalogue in terms of women and their actions. And because its all non-whites they didn't feel the need to hamfist a bunch of other woke writing in it, which allowed a genuine badass male to be her partner for the duration with expected flaws.
I get a lot of animation related videos recommended to me on YouTube, since I'm an animation nut. Sadly, most animation Youtubers are completely insane with leftism these days. One trend I'm seeing though, is that they all absolutely hate Moana 2. So I'm not sure how much if a success it's going to be in the long run, when all the word of mouth is negative.
No one cares what animators think about anything. Kids love it.
I don't believe it.
Not MY money