On paper it should be an easy Trump win, but I suspect shenanigans.
This is the perfect place to ask people who are informed. Which agenda will take the win in November and why do you think they will?
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Unless Donald Trump gets 90 million legit votes, I really do fear the steal will be at play.
This is how I suspect it will go:
Trump gets more votes.
Shenanigans.
Kamabalaballah gets sworn in to office in January.
Nobody fucking does anything about it, part II.
20 million illegals get amnesty, become "citizens".
Republicans win no more Presidential elections for the foreseeable future.
On the bright-side, maybe israel gets to fend for itself as support for them dries up?
lol jk, AIPAC funds both parties.
Politics has been orchestrated theater since at least the early 20th century.
No, the uniparty needs an opposition. Establishment republicans wll move further left and openly pander to the "new Americans" while calling democrats the "real transphobes".
what do you think desantis and nikki haley were, controlled opposition to give the democrats someone to root against
I believe we are gonna see actual insurrections before Kamala would even take office. People are really volatile right now and bad things happen when you ignore the working class for too long
Especially since they're up against a wall economically.
i’ve been saying this all year, they’ll stretch the election like last time, or maybe they even refuse to certify the election, claim no standing, and hope the normies just move on. their plan of assasinating trump failed, but there is no scenario that i can see where they just casually relinquish their power
You got my good on the Israel one.
100% Accurate.
Yep, and if days after the election they are still counting votes then it’s over
I don't think he'll get 90 million votes. I think he'll win the popular vote with around 80 million. Turnout looks like it may be down.
Let's come back to this afterwards and see how we did.
as of right now. Most voters are keeping vigilant all sorts of fuckery in the booths. It really fucking helps twitter is owned by musk since they can't ban all this cheat and fraud shit anymore.
I honestly think Trump will win but the shenanigans will focus on limiting the control Republicans have in the House and Senate.
It just seems like Kamala has largely been abandoned by the main actors, they knew how badly she did in 2020, gave her a chance when Biden was forced out but she was still so bad they've seemingly gone 'fuck it' and trying to retain power elsewhere.
When he gets in, first day expect a LOT of pardons from Jan 6 to former Trump colleagues to that guy that made Silk Road. Then expect him to purge as hard as possible as revenge as I think he'd rather purge the system with as much power as he can use so that when he's done in 2028 they can go after him again. The fact that it also would help the country is a happy coincidence.
I think our real problem is the House and Senate. ONCE AGAIN, the Republican establishment is desperate to lose the election. They are plan B: lose the house and senate enough to impeach and remove Trump and Vance once they get elected. Possibly for vote rigging, or for deploying police against Antifa rioters in DC.
However, if Trump's coat tails are long enough, they might get screwed out of that too. House and Senate republicans are down, and MAGA candidates are badly underfunded. Kari Lake is struggling to hold on in Arizona, and if we blow them out of the water, we might get some in, but we're gonna need a blow-out to basically keep the presidency.
I think that's what Trump is actually doing in New York and New Jersey: securing Republican down-ballot races.
They're not going to lose the Senate. Too many of the Senate races this year are too favorable to the GOP. Without rigging, they could end up with as many as 57 Senate seats, which would be unprecedented. In reality, Lake will probably be cheated our of hers, and a couple of others will be fortified as well, but they can't throw the election badly enough to lose in West Virginia, for example, or even in Texas or Florida.
I'll grant you that.
WV is probably gonna end up +40 Trump. I'm not kidding.
For President, yes, but my point was that the Senate seat will be a flip. No Democrat who isn't Joe Manchin will be able to hold that seat. That alone, along with wins in all of the safe Republican states, is enough to win them the Senate. Then there are red-leaning races in PA, Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, Montana etc. As I said, some of those will go blue, probably due to fortifying, but rigging all of them enough to win them all is probably impossible, even with both party establishments working together. A couple of those will be Republican pickups as well.
A Montanan was telling me the other day that some recent local polling had just come out showing that Tester and Sheehy were now tied, after the Sheehy stolen valor / accidental shooting in a national park, whatever it is thing. Who knows.
I would bet on Montana and WV as flips.
I think Kari Lake probably loses again in AZ.
I'm surprised there hasn't been more focus on flipping the dem in OH.
Wisconsin I think stays dem, but depends on Trump coattails.
Ohio is trending more and more red, so I think the Trump Bump could easily be enough to knock Brown out. I'd say there was a better chance in Michigan than Wisconsin, with Stebanow retiring, but Witchmer is still governor so there are some major shenanigans going on there.
Which is why I'm confused as to why Republicans not once have mentioned the house or senate. Politicians, commentators, or culture war youtubers. All of them have only ever talked about the presidency. You want Trump to win and actually push the policies he wants to put forth, then the presidency, house, and senate needs to be Republican.
But they don't, establishment republicans like Mitch McDaniels hate Trump almost as much as they hate his supporters.
Not sure who you've been listening to but there's been a ton of emphasis on down-ballot races on the commentators that I listen to. e.g. Dan Bongino has interviews every Sunday and they are frequently senate/house candidates.
Because, for better and worse, Trump drives the media cycle. Also, the ugly truth is, the polling for Republicans in the house doesn't look good. For the most part, they need to hope to shit that Trump drags them over the line, or they are in real trouble because of what the RNC continues to do, even after Trump put a family member in charge.
The only guy who's been bringing this up is Richard Barris on his show.
If the polls underestimated Trump by 3-7 points -- as they did in 2016 and 2020 -- then we're looking at a Trump landslide, including flipping places like Virginia and New Hampshire. Cheating could absolutely still be in play, so if you're reading this, fucking vote. Best case scenario, do you want to tell your grandkids that you were too lazy to participate in history?
Last chance to tell the blob to go fuck itself. Also having listen to that retarded empty pantsuit for
foureight years is a fate worse than death.There is a good chance Trump will win. Only way the left will win is if they cheat worse than before.
I don't think it will matter that much, Trump winning means that we have 4 years for white people to tribalize and get parallel societies going on. But other then that the leftist ideology will go ahead as planed.
I’m paranoid because I thought there would be a red wave so I don’t know what to think. Looks like Trump should win but I’ve been wrong before and if ballots aren’t counted by election night….
Same. I'm a bit optimistic just because I see Trump having fun.
In 2016 he was having fun but in 2020 he wasn't.
Having fun after 2 assassination attempts and the left weaponizing the justice department against him is remarkable.
Realistically I don't see that happening. I don't know feasibly how that could even work
I agree. Little chance to happen in the next 4 years.
It will need to get much worse for anything to happen. At least a decade or two. We will see some change in poorer areas first. Seeing other people getting opportunities that are being denied to you while also being called a racist does tend to give you a fuck off attitude.
Well...okay, but people getting opportunities that are being denied to you is a part of life. You don't get everything you want.
True and it gives you a fuck off attitude.
It's one thing to not get everything you want because of bad luck of lack of skills and it is another thing to be denied this because you are white.
That's one way to cope with it I guess. You can also just move on and take new opportunities in stride.
Well it depends on if that's actually why you don't have any opportunities. Plenty of other white people don't have problems.
That makes no sense. You are still being denied for being white if only 20% of people are do you think those 20% would not object? That is just dumb.
Are you trying to make a point or just drunk?
…what? What’s this 20% figure coming from? I’m not sure what that first bit was trying to convey.
I’m saying that you might be denied opportunities not because of your race, but for other reasons. Maybe you’re less qualified, maybe someone else is more charming, you don’t know for sure what happened behind the doors of your last interview.
Fact is you’re not going to be given everything you ask for, and sometimes you’ll be passed up for legit reasons, and sometimes it’ll be less fair. No sense speculating on what you don’t know, keep your chin up, and move on. Rejection is part of life dude
In 2016, I was playing World of Warcraft, enjoying an adult beverage, and very assiduously not watching the news. All of a sudden, people in chat started going nuts ("WE DID IT BOYS, THE MAD LAD IS IN" -- the mood was extremely positive).
In 2020, I was not playing Warcraft.
So, on Tuesday, I will once again be logged into classic WoW with an adult beverage and/or an adult edible.
(I'm a pessimist, I think he will lose, but we'll see.)
Legion (2016)
Battle for Azeroth (2018), Shadowlands (2020)
Nobody was playing Warcraft in 2020.
Shadowlands...I had almost managed to repress it. I actually didn't hate BfA. Drustvar remains one of my favorite zones.
I didn't enjoy Dragonflight very much and I only played during the beginning.
I came back recently for the 20th anniversary stuff. Not bad so far, but I haven't done much.
BFA launch was... not entirely shit. The advertising was horrendous in hindsight but the individual faction islands/zones were good, mostly. Drustvar was very popular, Tiragarde Sound was ok, Stormsong Valley was... fine until that retarded quillboar bit which even then was optional. Voldun had people sperging out over the Vulpera, Nazmir was some body horror, and
Wakanda Forever!ZuldazarForever!wasn't as bad as it could have been despite the blatant pandering that some on the Woke Left would usually complain about. I guess Zandalari trolls are fine for a stand in while orcs are not.There's a private server for it and you're not missing much. Literally most of the cutscenes are unironically women standing around talking about shit and in very. slow. drawn. out. sentences that SL seemed to float and for some braindead reason Blizz went with. Possibly because it meant they could pad play numbers ever so slightly by increasing how long it took for players to make it through normal quests.
Kamala Harris with 250% of the vote. I'm completely serious. They will just dare anyone to stop them.
Didn’t the number of votes in 2020 exceed the number of registered voters?
In some states and counties, yes. But they quickly rewrote history to comply with the narrative and no evidence was ever allowed in any court.
I suspect they'll let Trump win only to dump on his lap the current economy, looming WW3, and the next -- improved -- bioweapon deployment against citizens.
He could easily solve WW3 by not being an idiot so probably first month on that, the economy...50/50 as he might be able to fire enough bureaucrats that they can't fuck with people trying to start new businesses
The bioweapon is the one that's a real threat.
Kamala licking her chops at the opportunity to send half of her competitor’s voters to die in her war.
I was guilty of underestimating women last time.
They literally do not care. Millions of men could be drafted and sent to die, their food can be poison, their speech can be censored, their cities can burn in nuclear fire, literally all things are justified as long as they can bang Chad in the club bathroom and abort the result.
There is nothing in the universe up to and including their death and everyone else's death that women will not accept as a price of their precious abortion.
I don’t want your scenario to happen but definitely a possibility. I’ve said a few times here that if it isn’t called on election night it more than likely will go to Harris. After election/overnight ballots never seem to favor republicans
Funny how that is huh? Republicans never get thousands of votes coming in right around the time the other party was winning the swing state
Yea, my dad always says that
I don't see your concern reflected in the legit polls. Trump not only gained with women, but actually gained with black women too.
Reddit has been mostly bots after all the big purges they ran.
Dems.thru cheating.
The only reason Trump won 2016 is because they didn't take him seriously enough.
How long does one political party need to be in office until we can stop considering this a Democratic Republic and instead realize we are under an oligarchic fascist regime?
Israel
I don't know if it'll happen, but if Trump wins it's a possibility that democrats will say he cheated and successfully overturn the election through court proceedings or violence.
Harris will win after a box of surprise ballots are found in Pennsylvania on the 8th. They will heavily clamp down on Trump, Vance, and the whole campaign on bullshit charges. The Supreme court will be stacked, and Clarence Thomas will be lynched/impeached on "corruption" charges.
I think it's a complete unknown. Kamala is such a disaster and Trump is so popular that this should be too big to possibly steal, but the reality is nobody knows what 'too big' is. Common sense and intuition say that it's become so much harder to steal than last time that surely this time it's in the bag for Trump - but common sense, divorced from the cheatmode of hindsight, also says that nobody should be able to blatantly coup the USA in broad daylight and have the whole world go along with it, which is factually what happened last time.
I don't think Trump's increased popularity or people being fed up with the Biden administration has much bearing on the nature of the steal. The kingmakers who run the election and its aftermath - the press, the shameless riggerniggers and their political handlers - will insert a vertical blue line that's almost 100% of the height of the entire red vote curve into the tally graphs if necessary, and if possible. Then they'll call it 'a vote update from a pro-Democrat district' like last time and people will swallow it like last time and do absolutely nothing again. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes much more difficult to track any such graphs in realtime, this time around.
Perhaps red voters will be (conveniently) provoked into altercations at polling sites by election workers, leading to restrictions, poll shutdowns and blocking of all recordings, leaving goons all the time in the world to pull infinite trolleys of ballots out from under tables or in from alleyways. There are infinite possibilities because there are infinite heights to their mendacity and arrogance. I don't know what will happen but I don't envy Americans this uncertainty. As a non-American, I'm insulated from some of the fallout and I'm promised unprecedented levels of drama either way.
The Jews win. Because they all touch the wall.
Satan.
Honestly, I think it comes down to if the uniparty has enough faith in Kamala to bother going all-in on the steal. Either they think she's a good enough puppet to install her in or they'll throw her out like used toilet paper and try to get enough democrats and RINOs in congress to obstruct any pro-America policy.
While it is probably very unlikely he would run again in 2028 it would mean he would be "done with" if he had his second term now, and then kick the can down the street to deal with any Vance, Tulsi, or whomever tickets nearer the time in 2028 onwards.
No way they had enough faith in Biden. To them it’s more of not letting Trump win vs needing their candidate to get in
I think it is close, but I'd consider Trump the narrow favorite (I thought he would lose in 2016 and 2020).
Pro:
The polls show it to be close, and Trump has outperformed polls. The assassination attempt should drive turnout.
Con:
Concerns are the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, and the fact that Trump does not have a good ground game. And perhaps pollsters have adjusted their polls to account for an overperforming Trump. There are also some noises about not enough men voting in PA (yet, but there is still time), and tanking betting markets (though still better than 4 and 8 years ago).
https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president
Betting odds tanking?
My biggest fear is that that pollsters have overcompensated with the "hard to reach Trump voter" and that polling results will be more like 2022 than 2016 or 2020.
2020 is almost impossible to compare to due to Covid shenanigans.
I'm not convinced betting markets mean much. I'm not much of a degen gambler, but I've been tempted to put some $ on Harris as an emotional hedge.
Good to see, but they are worse here: https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
And there was also another site where they tanked even worse than here.
Betting markets did better last times around. While pundits were saying that Trump had no chance, they gave him a better chance - though obviously, they were very wrong in 2016 all the same.
A lot of republicans vote exactly on Election Day. Because most of us consider it a national holiday and love exercising our fundamental god-given rights out of love for this country
My gut says Trump but in the back of my mind I must admit Kamala winning wouldn’t surprise me because the scenario I dread is overnight ballots
Not just overnight, but days. Ignoring the fact at least one state allows for three-day-late ballots, there can be all manner of shenanigans going on with computers having "issues" and politically charged election officials saying "we're not going to certify these results in favor of Trump because fuck you" backed up by judges saying "the plaintiffs contesting the democrat officials have no standing because fuck you."
Massive Trump advantage in early voting and initial counts.
Swing states mysteriously stall out and stop counting in the middle of the night as ballots continue to be "found".
Suddenly counting restarts at 5am and Kamala runs away with it.
Iron curtain of National Guard descends on DC.
Republicans cuck out immediately and without protest, happy to be rid of Trump.
Trump arrest follows, probably from surprise sentence announcement in New York.
Trumpers cuck out and don't protest because of massive show of military force in DC.
Cackling weirdo takes power, launches immediate amnesty plans, court packing, and gun confiscation, all aided in Congress by Republicans.
Elon arrested or flees the country by March.
Unrestricted baby killing back on the menu by summer, EU style digital bills sail through Congress to dismantle Twitter, forums, and podcasting.
Prisons emptied, begin filling with white male speech criminals by midterms.
It's a toss-up for me, even with Polymarket's odds hovering around 60%. I never feel like I can say never either way... I just wish the turnout is good enough for us.
polymarket has been bought out by a handful of whales. It's not reliable.
Trump will win.
However, if it's close, I think the Dems are gonna do a full flip-the-script on 2020.
So for example, Arizona has massive fraud, and Trump goes from leading by 6 points to, after 2 days of counting, is winning by 1 point. Then, on day 3 of counting Harris is up by 0.1 points. So what does Gov Hobbs do? Claims that there is shenanigans in the voting count, for any further counts, and certifies only the Democrat electors. The Republicans will be outraged, and will send their uncertified secondary slate of electors.
At the same time, Governor Shapiro sees that despite all available fraud measures, Trump will win the state by 3 points. So, he declares that there is clear evidence of Republican vote tampering, so he refuses to certify either set of electors.
By the time the count actually has to take place, Republican electors from Arizona have been arrested and held in prison without trial for at least 60 days, while the DC circuit court drags it's heels. Kamalla Harris, who is explicitly required to count the votes by the constitution, breaks the law she passed regarding the VP to refuse to count electors, and illegally counts the Democratic slate of electors from Arizona, and the uncertified Democratic electors for Pennsylvania.
Now, the reason this won't happen is that most of this is so criminal that it would delegitimize the entire federal government, and this bitch has nothing in the way of political capital to pull this off. But I think we may see some states attempt shit like this.
However, what is most likely going to happen is that something crazy will happen, like Trump wins Minnesota, or Virginia, or New Mexico, or even wins Wisconsin by seven points. I think Trump wins the popular vote by several points, pulls a fucking stunner in a couple states, and the response from the media is that it looks like Trump has won by the end of the night and Harris has no other choice but to concede by the end of the 1st or second night while the mainstream media tries to drag out calling Virginia for Trump after a day or two with 99.999% reporting. Expect some states like Arizona and Pennsylvania to have 50,000 votes left to count on night 1, and 75,000 left to count by night 2, but Trump has an 80,000 vote lead.
At the end of the day, I think they're just gonna call it because they've got no additional moves left.
They've already wargamed this, they'll flood the cities with riots and declare Trump illegitimate. They'll take it to the supreme court and either pack it or kill enough justices to get their way.
That's just way too far. That's fantasy land bullshit and no one has the political capital for it.
I think we simply don't know yet; could go many ways. I get why people are blackpilled, and there will (and are already) some pretty big shenanigans, but I personally think Trump wins. But he might not.
I think it will be funny if he wins, to have a bunch of Democrat politicians do an Insurrection. But, you can't stump the Trump. It won't work. And if it does...things could get spicy. But that's pretty far down the list of possibilities.
Doesn’t matter, demographics are destiny.
Donald Trump will win by one vote, yours. Anybody saying "they're just gonna steal it" or moaning about Israel needs to shut the fuck up and ideally never post about politics again.
Not gonna say they will steal it but I’ll be worried if votes are still coming in after Election Day. Just paranoid I guess
It's not paranoia if it actually happened before, it's called pattern recognition.
I think Bernie still has a chance /s
Kamala. Even with the fact that the rigging hasn’t been addressed, I 100% believe majority of Americans are brainwashed morons that will show for Kamala for things like “She’s black” or “she’s gonna protect baby killers”. If we didn’t allow women to vote it wouldn’t be close. But instead we somehow let a large chunk of the population that can’t even fend for themselves control if we are going to be sent overseas to fight their wars.
The joos will win and the Americans will lose.
Trump wins, but it will be stolen from him again.