What a weird flex: "Rioters didn't seize a 'large part' of the city and reduce it to a lawless hellscape out of a Mad Max movie; it was only six blocks" complete with a map of the city to emphasize just how small the area that successfully declared itself completely independent from the jurisdiction of the government was.
Let's all just pretend that the real issue isn't that ANY piece of a major city was able to successfully act as an independent government for longer than the time it took to truck in a bunch of cops and bust their heads open.
this is what a lot of the fact checks are amounting to. Trump makes a true but exaggerated claim, and the media marks the entire thing false because the claim was exaggerated.
Its often not even exaggerated, its just not viciously, perfectly defined to a nonsensical degree.
In this case, its "big" because its an area that was large enough to be put on a map and disrupt local inhabitants, compared to say someone just calling their house sovereign and independent. But they are saying it needed to be relatively "big" to the entire area to be true, which is nonsense.
His only mistake was using the word percentage, which does give them a legup on him to "fact check" like this.
yep, "big" is a relative term, so the only way to fact check it is to recontextualize the original quote. Seattle times is certainly making a fool of themselves here, but the real question is who can see it?
That's why he does it. If he says something accurate and true, they just wont cover it, but if he says something a little bit sensational/exagerated, they'll fall all over themselves nitpicking the hell out of it to prove how he's tots a liar yo, thereby amplifying his message and making them show their hand to the public.
If conservatives did exactly what they did, every student in America would learn about the time that a group of far right terrorists tried to take over Seattle.
In May 2023, a 22-year-old man pleaded guilty to killing a 19-year-old man, Horace Lorenzo Anderson, inside CHOP the night of June 20, 2020. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison, followed by three years in community custody.
When you kill someone, you get half of what someone got who wasn't inside their precious House of Lobbyists on January 6.
In June 2021, Isaiah Thomas Willoughby, 36, pleaded guilty in federal court to setting a fire outside the abandoned Seattle Police East Precinct during CHOP, also known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone or CHAZ. He was sentenced to two years in prison.
An arsonists got less than the Q Shaman, who used no violence and upbraided people for taking cakes from the fridge.
Ultimately, four shootings, including the killings of Anderson and 16-year-old Antonio Mays Jr., were reported in and around the CHOP zone. No one has been charged in Mays’ death.
The chop part is what was taken over. It was the Capital Hill Occupied Protest.
A self-declared autonomous zone established in June 2020. It was a six-block area in the Capitol Hill neighborhood, stretching from the Seattle Police Department’s East Precinct to Cal Anderson Park, where police were not allowed to enter. The zone was created as a response to the police brutality and systemic racism protests following the death of George Floyd.
Initially, the zone was referred to as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), but its name was later changed to Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) to reflect its organized and protest-oriented nature. The zone was a self-organized space without official leadership, and protesters demanded significant changes, including:
A 50% decrease in the Seattle Police Department’s budget
Funding shifted to community programs and services in historically black communities
No charges for protesters involved in the occupation
During its existence, CHOP became a symbol of resistance against systemic racism and police brutality, and it attracted international attention. However, the zone was eventually dismantled on July 1, 2020, after a fatal shooting and ongoing concerns about public safety.
If those six blocks were not a big part of seattle, then I'd like to see a group take over six blocks with the seattle times in the middle and see how that affects them.
Funding shifted to community programs and services in historically black communities
Seattle has no historically black communities. It is one of the whitest major cities in the US, and most of the non-white citizens are Hispanic or Asian.
I still remember when the riots all initially started an IRL friend posting in a group chat about some sort of "stay at home order" due to rioting downtown. I didn't know what was going on so I just pulled up a local news station's youtube live feed. Within about 15 seconds of watching that I saw a police car on fire and someone throwing a molotov at a building.
If Trump had sent Seal Team 6 in there to liberate the occupied zone and followed up by arresting anybody who objected to it, he would have won 60% of the nationwide popular vote.
They didn't take the majority of Seattle's city limits, therefore it was not a big part. Checkmate, chuds.
Exactly.
What a weird flex: "Rioters didn't seize a 'large part' of the city and reduce it to a lawless hellscape out of a Mad Max movie; it was only six blocks" complete with a map of the city to emphasize just how small the area that successfully declared itself completely independent from the jurisdiction of the government was.
Let's all just pretend that the real issue isn't that ANY piece of a major city was able to successfully act as an independent government for longer than the time it took to truck in a bunch of cops and bust their heads open.
this is what a lot of the fact checks are amounting to. Trump makes a true but exaggerated claim, and the media marks the entire thing false because the claim was exaggerated.
Its often not even exaggerated, its just not viciously, perfectly defined to a nonsensical degree.
In this case, its "big" because its an area that was large enough to be put on a map and disrupt local inhabitants, compared to say someone just calling their house sovereign and independent. But they are saying it needed to be relatively "big" to the entire area to be true, which is nonsense.
His only mistake was using the word percentage, which does give them a legup on him to "fact check" like this.
yep, "big" is a relative term, so the only way to fact check it is to recontextualize the original quote. Seattle times is certainly making a fool of themselves here, but the real question is who can see it?
That's why he does it. If he says something accurate and true, they just wont cover it, but if he says something a little bit sensational/exagerated, they'll fall all over themselves nitpicking the hell out of it to prove how he's tots a liar yo, thereby amplifying his message and making them show their hand to the public.
They're arguing over what is a "big percentage."
How quickly that chaos was memory holed. We were always at war with Eurasia.
If conservatives did exactly what they did, every student in America would learn about the time that a group of far right terrorists tried to take over Seattle.
APCs and choppers would have been deployed.
The federal government would have burned them all alive.
When you kill someone, you get half of what someone got who wasn't inside their precious House of Lobbyists on January 6.
An arsonists got less than the Q Shaman, who used no violence and upbraided people for taking cakes from the fridge.
Black lives don't matter after all.
Antifa was angry because of all the blacks getting shot by cops. So what do they do? Shoot 2 unarmed blacks by day 2.
Seattle Times is the local DNC rag that masquerades as a newspaper. They lie constantly, about everything.
They have been covering for ANTIFA since the 1999 WTO riots.
Thanks, I wasn’t familiar with them. That’s some terminal TDS in the article though. Jesus 😐
The chop part is what was taken over. It was the Capital Hill Occupied Protest.
A self-declared autonomous zone established in June 2020. It was a six-block area in the Capitol Hill neighborhood, stretching from the Seattle Police Department’s East Precinct to Cal Anderson Park, where police were not allowed to enter. The zone was created as a response to the police brutality and systemic racism protests following the death of George Floyd.
Initially, the zone was referred to as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), but its name was later changed to Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) to reflect its organized and protest-oriented nature. The zone was a self-organized space without official leadership, and protesters demanded significant changes, including:
If those six blocks were not a big part of seattle, then I'd like to see a group take over six blocks with the seattle times in the middle and see how that affects them.
Seattle has no historically black communities. It is one of the whitest major cities in the US, and most of the non-white citizens are Hispanic or Asian.
It was cut and paste from a search for "seattle chop". I haven't even been to the western half of USA.
How big was Ruby Ridge?
I still remember when the riots all initially started an IRL friend posting in a group chat about some sort of "stay at home order" due to rioting downtown. I didn't know what was going on so I just pulled up a local news station's youtube live feed. Within about 15 seconds of watching that I saw a police car on fire and someone throwing a molotov at a building.
so you admit they seized part of the city and engaged in sedition and insurrection against these united states?
next you're going to whine about jAnUaRy 6tH
If Trump had sent Seal Team 6 in there to liberate the occupied zone and followed up by arresting anybody who objected to it, he would have won 60% of the nationwide popular vote.