No matter how improbable any of those things are, I still find it more improbable that an omnipotent, omniscient being has somehow always existed outside of time and space.
That said, I'll still go with the "by its fruit shall you know it" and recognize that the only civilizations I'd ever want to live in were founded or heavily influenced by Christians.
We cannot comprehend a being that is infinite because all things in our life are finite.
This could just as easily be said about the natural universe.
It stands to reason that something put the universe in motion and that something is not bound by the laws of this universe, including time and space.
Then it also stands to reason that something put the thing that put the universe in motion also needed something to put it in motion, unless you want to engage in special pleading that "well God is special and doesn't need a creator", in which case you could just as easily skip a step and say "the natural universe doesn't need a creator."
If you believe, fine. Honestly, I kind of envy you. But if you're going to throw obviously flawed reasoning at me for your beliefs, I'm going to pick it apart.
No matter how improbable any of those things are, I still find it more improbable that an omnipotent, omniscient being has somehow always existed outside of time and space.
That said, I'll still go with the "by its fruit shall you know it" and recognize that the only civilizations I'd ever want to live in were founded or heavily influenced by Christians.
I believe that is the limitations of our mind. We cannot comprehend a being that is infinite because all things in our life are finite.
We cannot comprehend a being that is outside of time and space because we live within those confines.
The universe would not exist, Should not exist in fact, If not for an outside influence.
Even our language is insufficient to describe this influence because our language is spatial.
It stands to reason that something put the universe in motion and that something is not bound by the laws of this universe, including time and space.
This could just as easily be said about the natural universe.
Then it also stands to reason that something put the thing that put the universe in motion also needed something to put it in motion, unless you want to engage in special pleading that "well God is special and doesn't need a creator", in which case you could just as easily skip a step and say "the natural universe doesn't need a creator."
If you believe, fine. Honestly, I kind of envy you. But if you're going to throw obviously flawed reasoning at me for your beliefs, I'm going to pick it apart.
Why not assume Universe and all the stuff coming into and going out of it has always existed and always will?