So many people seem to really struggle with the idea of anything improbable just happening, they absolutely need to find a reason that it wasn't improbable anymore once it happens.
The series of consecutive improbable events required for you to type that to me is so mind bogglingly implausible as to be functionally impossible, but to then act like it’s all so obviously meaningless is the cherry on top lol
Check out the thread you might find some interesting arguments being made for or against
See that's what I mean. Three improbable events are three improbable events. You don't need a design for that to happen, but that seemingly makes some people uncomfortable. The mathematical gulf between "mindbogglingly improbable" and "impossible" is infinitely large. They are nothing alike and certainly not functionally interchangeable.
And I did read the thread but I'm not starting shit in different communities. Suffice it to say that I think you're putting the cart before the horse when it comes to understanding the building blocks of life.
Water and Carbon aren't absolutely necessary for life as a self replicating system. They're simply key to life as we know it. To other life out there our carbon based DNA might be unimaginably bizarre. That some of the most abundant compounds on earth are key components in life on earth isn't evidence of divine providence, that if life were to arise randomly it would most likely arise from the most abundant compounds rather than rarer ones is in fact a very reasonable proposition.
I remember a religious analogy where the guy threw down a ton of cards and said something like "the chance that I pick these cards up in the right order is so low that its impossible, just like the order of the universe, so there must be a god"
Except that any order he would have picked up the cards in would have been equally improbable.
The analogy would actually suggest to me that there are many possible outcomes, it makes no sense to point to this one outcome of the universe amongst the infinite number of equally unlikely possible universes and say "thats proof"
I dont see any proof of a God and the idea is even more unlikely to me than the universe existing in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong but unless I see or feel something that makes me change my mind I have no power to do so myself.
I do think Western Christian culture is the best though and I have no ill will towards Christians.
A better analogy is: try to make a detailed life simulation by throwing random words into a compiler and see if it makes anything. Spoiler alert: it won't.
In order to craft a detailed simulation you need structure and an expert software engineer. There is no such thing as using random strings to create a structured simulation, hence why it requires an engineer.
Just to interject with what I see as a fault in your logic
Except that any order he would have picked up the cards in would have been equally improbable.
The example clearly states:
“the chance that I pick these cards up in the right order is so low that its impossible”
“The right order” obviously meaning 1-13 ordered by suit, which is 1/(10^67). Analogously, “the right order” for the universe is the one in which all the various independent variables (as i establish in the OP on the other side of the cross post) take just the exact, precise value needed to actually generate a universe where life can develop.
So please do check out the post, I’ve linked to it above in a couple places. It’s an unfortunate drawback of this site’s cross-post feature that so little detail makes it through to here.
So many people seem to really struggle with the idea of anything improbable just happening, they absolutely need to find a reason that it wasn't improbable anymore once it happens.
One improbable event is happenstance
Two improbable events is a coincidence
Three improbably events is a design
The series of consecutive improbable events required for you to type that to me is so mind bogglingly implausible as to be functionally impossible, but to then act like it’s all so obviously meaningless is the cherry on top lol
Check out the thread you might find some interesting arguments being made for or against
See that's what I mean. Three improbable events are three improbable events. You don't need a design for that to happen, but that seemingly makes some people uncomfortable. The mathematical gulf between "mindbogglingly improbable" and "impossible" is infinitely large. They are nothing alike and certainly not functionally interchangeable.
And I did read the thread but I'm not starting shit in different communities. Suffice it to say that I think you're putting the cart before the horse when it comes to understanding the building blocks of life.
Water and Carbon aren't absolutely necessary for life as a self replicating system. They're simply key to life as we know it. To other life out there our carbon based DNA might be unimaginably bizarre. That some of the most abundant compounds on earth are key components in life on earth isn't evidence of divine providence, that if life were to arise randomly it would most likely arise from the most abundant compounds rather than rarer ones is in fact a very reasonable proposition.
I remember a religious analogy where the guy threw down a ton of cards and said something like "the chance that I pick these cards up in the right order is so low that its impossible, just like the order of the universe, so there must be a god"
Except that any order he would have picked up the cards in would have been equally improbable. The analogy would actually suggest to me that there are many possible outcomes, it makes no sense to point to this one outcome of the universe amongst the infinite number of equally unlikely possible universes and say "thats proof"
I dont see any proof of a God and the idea is even more unlikely to me than the universe existing in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong but unless I see or feel something that makes me change my mind I have no power to do so myself. I do think Western Christian culture is the best though and I have no ill will towards Christians.
That guy made a bad analogy.
A better analogy is: try to make a detailed life simulation by throwing random words into a compiler and see if it makes anything. Spoiler alert: it won't.
In order to craft a detailed simulation you need structure and an expert software engineer. There is no such thing as using random strings to create a structured simulation, hence why it requires an engineer.
Just to interject with what I see as a fault in your logic
The example clearly states:
“the chance that I pick these cards up in the right order is so low that its impossible”
“The right order” obviously meaning 1-13 ordered by suit, which is 1/(10^67). Analogously, “the right order” for the universe is the one in which all the various independent variables (as i establish in the OP on the other side of the cross post) take just the exact, precise value needed to actually generate a universe where life can develop.
So please do check out the post, I’ve linked to it above in a couple places. It’s an unfortunate drawback of this site’s cross-post feature that so little detail makes it through to here.