Fraud is the default. I assume fraud. Someone would have to provide me evidence it's not rigged.
Not just the ones the GOP loses, though.
Cuz the logical thing is it's really easy to stuff ballots. Why wouldn't you? We have anonymous ballot. It's ripe for cheating. AFAIK American elections have always been crooked. Read about our history, if you like.
But ballots are anonymous everywhere, except in North Korea style states.
Does that mean that every election anywhere is stolen? It would surprise me only in that elections don't really have an effect - see how little DJT was able to accomplish due to being sabotaged at every turn. That is why they don't steal elections in Europe, the powers that be don't care if Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum is in power.
Note that I'm NOT saying that "these are the fairest and freest elections evah". I'm saying that either for that claim or for the claim of fraud, I'd need evidence.
I think quite possibly most elections in the world are crooked. Again, at least in the past there is evidence of it, and you have to assume more get away with it than you catch. I think that it is sound risk management to assume that elections are compromised.
If they were doing anything to make them better, I'd feel better about it. But they're actively making them less secure.
It's probably not "they" and "them" doing it. I think distributed ballot stuffing is more likely. It's nearly impossible to catch. Again unless you implement some kind of ballot security which is not happening.
How is extending voting times in a deep blue city not shady as fuck? And they haven't elected a d governor since 1999. They've been red longer than VA has been blue, so why is a d win in MS somehow more plausible than an r win in VA?
Because shit happens sometimes? We tried to extend voting times in az in 22, so either that's shady too, or there can be legit reasons for it. Provide literally any evidence of attempted fraud. I'll wait.
Both are plausible, and we almost got VA, but it's been a blue state for a long time. Just like a d governor is plausible in Louisiana, but they didn't quite get there.
Funny how I can look at both situations and apply the same logic, and it works.
Maricopa County looks pretty purple to me, and it's getting bluer each year. That's not equivalent, so you're not applying the same logic. The equivalent would be the GOP asking to extend voting hours in a bunch of rural counties.
Provide literally any evidence of attempted fraud. I'll wait.
How is letting one of the most partisan areas in the state have extra voting hours not unfairly tilting the election?
Maybe I just don't have a year to get enough evidence to prove you wrong. But really what's the point? You're narrowly focusing on classic fraud in a bad faith attempt to avoid discussing the bigger picture. Ballot stuffing isn't the only way to rig an election, and they could have limited polling in red areas to a 15 minute window and you would still be claiming I have "no proof" of fraud. If you're going to move the goalposts like a Redditor just tell me you're not interested in good faith discussion and we can end this conversation now. I'll even let you have the last word.
If it was legally stolen, it wouldn't been from unconstitutional actions, chain of custody breakdown, 125% turnout, or the water main break that never happened.
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What's this about kid fucking
All the ones the GOP lost were stolen?
I could forward an above 0 chance of fuckery sure
'Fuckery' is common but it's an abdication of responsibility to go around blaming everything on fraud, particularly without evidence.
Fraud is the default. I assume fraud. Someone would have to provide me evidence it's not rigged.
Not just the ones the GOP loses, though.
Cuz the logical thing is it's really easy to stuff ballots. Why wouldn't you? We have anonymous ballot. It's ripe for cheating. AFAIK American elections have always been crooked. Read about our history, if you like.
But ballots are anonymous everywhere, except in North Korea style states.
Does that mean that every election anywhere is stolen? It would surprise me only in that elections don't really have an effect - see how little DJT was able to accomplish due to being sabotaged at every turn. That is why they don't steal elections in Europe, the powers that be don't care if Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum is in power.
Note that I'm NOT saying that "these are the fairest and freest elections evah". I'm saying that either for that claim or for the claim of fraud, I'd need evidence.
I think quite possibly most elections in the world are crooked. Again, at least in the past there is evidence of it, and you have to assume more get away with it than you catch. I think that it is sound risk management to assume that elections are compromised.
If they were doing anything to make them better, I'd feel better about it. But they're actively making them less secure.
It's probably not "they" and "them" doing it. I think distributed ballot stuffing is more likely. It's nearly impossible to catch. Again unless you implement some kind of ballot security which is not happening.
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This was no 2020, plenty of them were lost legitimately.
They've had d governors before. It's not like it's unheard of.
There's also no evidence they even tried to steal it.
How is extending voting times in a deep blue city not shady as fuck? And they haven't elected a d governor since 1999. They've been red longer than VA has been blue, so why is a d win in MS somehow more plausible than an r win in VA?
Because shit happens sometimes? We tried to extend voting times in az in 22, so either that's shady too, or there can be legit reasons for it. Provide literally any evidence of attempted fraud. I'll wait.
Both are plausible, and we almost got VA, but it's been a blue state for a long time. Just like a d governor is plausible in Louisiana, but they didn't quite get there.
Funny how I can look at both situations and apply the same logic, and it works.
Don't be a retard.
Maricopa County looks pretty purple to me, and it's getting bluer each year. That's not equivalent, so you're not applying the same logic. The equivalent would be the GOP asking to extend voting hours in a bunch of rural counties.
How is letting one of the most partisan areas in the state have extra voting hours not unfairly tilting the election?
Okay, so you have no proof. Thanks.
Maybe I just don't have a year to get enough evidence to prove you wrong. But really what's the point? You're narrowly focusing on classic fraud in a bad faith attempt to avoid discussing the bigger picture. Ballot stuffing isn't the only way to rig an election, and they could have limited polling in red areas to a 15 minute window and you would still be claiming I have "no proof" of fraud. If you're going to move the goalposts like a Redditor just tell me you're not interested in good faith discussion and we can end this conversation now. I'll even let you have the last word.
Extending voting hours is not fraud. It's rigging though. 2020 was legally stolen, is how I call it.
If it was legally stolen, it wouldn't been from unconstitutional actions, chain of custody breakdown, 125% turnout, or the water main break that never happened.
It was both legally and illegally stolen.
Every board has one don't they?