I totally agree. Hollywood doesn't really know how to make proper moral characters. They are so degenerate and nihilistic themselves; that they actually can't understand how to make a deep moral character, or even how to challenge him. Fundamentally, they don't really even believe in good characters, and don't think that it's realistic for a good character to succeed in a poisoned world.
Fundamentally, they don't really even believe in good characters, and don't think that it's realistic for a good character to succeed in a poisoned world.
I'd agree there. And, honestly, a good character doesn't even need to succeed - he just needs to keep trying. To me, a character standing up for what is right to the point of ridicule, imprisonment, death, or some other negative outcome is a lot more inspiring than Edgy Antihero #516 winning and/or receiving his comeuppance. Inspiring others to carry on the fight (like at the end of Serenity), making a bad guy actually reconsider things (like Vader did at the end of Return of the Jedi), or even just saving one or two people and letting hope carry on (Aragorn and Co at the Black Gate) can all be a win for the good guys. Sure, it's better when the good guy survives too (Luke did get off the Death Star, and Aragorn and Co [at least the named characters] survived the battle), but it's not always necessary.
It is honestly part of why I have been burned out on Antiheros these days and just want ultimate good characters and mustache twirling villain's. We have had so many cases of jaded, nihilistic antiheros that I can stand them anymore. Although I do still like some of the more classic examples such as Judge Dredd.
An oldie but a goodie.
I totally agree. Hollywood doesn't really know how to make proper moral characters. They are so degenerate and nihilistic themselves; that they actually can't understand how to make a deep moral character, or even how to challenge him. Fundamentally, they don't really even believe in good characters, and don't think that it's realistic for a good character to succeed in a poisoned world.
I'd agree there. And, honestly, a good character doesn't even need to succeed - he just needs to keep trying. To me, a character standing up for what is right to the point of ridicule, imprisonment, death, or some other negative outcome is a lot more inspiring than Edgy Antihero #516 winning and/or receiving his comeuppance. Inspiring others to carry on the fight (like at the end of Serenity), making a bad guy actually reconsider things (like Vader did at the end of Return of the Jedi), or even just saving one or two people and letting hope carry on (Aragorn and Co at the Black Gate) can all be a win for the good guys. Sure, it's better when the good guy survives too (Luke did get off the Death Star, and Aragorn and Co [at least the named characters] survived the battle), but it's not always necessary.
It is honestly part of why I have been burned out on Antiheros these days and just want ultimate good characters and mustache twirling villain's. We have had so many cases of jaded, nihilistic antiheros that I can stand them anymore. Although I do still like some of the more classic examples such as Judge Dredd.