Here in Florida, he has a chorus to keep him in tune with voters thanks to the legislature. On his own, he's great at being MSM's golden boy and the uniparty puppet. We don't need this, we need someone who kicks the nest and tells the hornets to suck his balls.
Dunno about that. Though the TDSers seem to have forgotten that Trump was the most popular Republican on a night where Republicans cleaned up, yet he somehow lost.
Whatever happens, if DeSantis does anything to distance himself from MAGA or Trump, he's going to have a very bad time.
Anyone running against Trump for the nomination will obviously distance themselves away from Trump. Trump keeps attacking DeSantis baselessly so obviously he is not going to tie himself closely to such a man.
You seem to be confused at how the actual size of "MAGA".
"MAGA" is a subset of the Republican party that is at max 40 percent of the party. That 40 percent number is the upper ceiling derived from the percentage of the vote received in state primaries by hardcore Trumper candidates Mastriano and Lake.
Trump's ceiling in the primaries is likely around 45 percent where he also has some soft support.
Desantis will be fighting to win the other 55 percent of the primary voters.
The winner of the primary is who can win the people who voted for Trump in 2020 but are currently undecided on who to support for 2024.
Anyone running against Trump for the nomination will obviously distance themselves away from Trump.
Good luck with that. Hope you're happy with a distant second in the general election.
And just FYI, I'd be happy to vote for DeSantis if he approached the primary with an attitude of, "thanks to President Trump, but I think I can do a better job. The way he and his supporters have been treated is unacceptable in a free country."
If he comes out claiming Trump is some sort of insurrectionist conspiracy theorist election denier, well fuck him.
You cannot win a primary against Trump being a Trump sychophant.
He will attack Trump on his abysmal COVID response, especially Trump bending over for Fauci and Trump's poor personnel selection as well as Trump's overall lack of decency not your strawman of "insurrectionist conspiracy theorist election denier"
DeSantis is his own man and he will present his own positive vision for the country. He is not running to be pigeonholed as a MAGA.
You Trump fans are highly misguided if you think sucking off Trump helps you in a general election. Vast majority of the country doesn't worship Trump and about half hates Trump.
You need to run on policy that improves America not worship Trump like a gimp.
As Boobs said, there's a few people. Not everyone has to agree on everything. This isn't a Trump fan club, a DeSantis fan club, or anything else. Acting like because we have disagreements makes this community unclean is silly.
I think having so many different viewpoints makes this an interesting place. Ironically, diversity (of opinion) is our strength.
I've had interesting discussions with people from all kinds of different perspectives.
Here I go being nuanced again. I defended Trump recently, I've criticized Trump recently, and same goes for DeSantis.
I think DeSantis has made some blunders, and generally has the charisma of a wet sponge, but I think he's also done a damn good job in Florida. I don't hate him, but I also don't trust him.
That said, I think this conversation is being taken a little out of context for the sake of salaciousness. Read the article, it's not as clear cut as the headline makes it sound.
He slightly walks back some of his comments, but still says he doesn't want US involvement. I wish he'd said that included weapons - it's definitely a red flag that he basically said 'maybe' there - but for the most part he's still on the 'not our fight' angle.
The 'holding Putin accountable' thing seemed more like 'this is my ideal scenario' than 'the US must do this.'
“There is a move now to hold him accountable for war crimes,” I [Piers Morgan] told DeSantis, “bombing maternity hospitals and genocidal activity in parts of Ukraine wiping out whole cities like Mariupol. Would you support that?”
“I think he is a war criminal,” he replied. “This ICC … we have not done that in the US because we’re concerned about our soldiers or people being brought under it. So, I don’t know about that route, but I do think that he should be held accountable.”
So it just comes off, to me, as a 'Putin's done some bad things, and ideally he should be held accountable,' which I think is a fairly accurate statement. And this is coming from someone who has, and will continue to, heavily criticize Ukraine.
This wasn't the best look for DeSantis, and in my opinion he should have said some things he didn't, and shouldn't have said some things he did, but he could have done a lot worse. If anything, he was a bit too neutral, a bit too much of playing both sides, trying to make everyone happy.
It's a completely stupid statement. How the hell are we supposed to hold Putin responsible? Saying this only enamors him to the left and warhawks, and puts a bullet in any future relations with Russia if he wins higher office. Putin is the head of Russia, we have to deal with him whether we like it or not.
All I'm saying is, I don't think this was anywhere near as bad as some people are acting like it was. I'm certainly not waving any DeSantis flags or anything, but this wasn't a massive blunder or anything either.
DeSantis is still not advocating for any U S. Intervention here.
Where is the backpedaling you claim?
What some of you are really upset over is that DeSantis is not a Putin simp like the small group of online Trump grifters which includes Robert Barnes and Richard Baris.
The vast majority of Americans including most Republicans and even most Trump 2020 voters openly despise Putin, calling him a war criminal is just good politics.
DeSantis is nothing like the neo-cons of yesterday.
Bonafide neo-cons like Lindsey Graham, John Cornyn and Adam Kinzinger still despise DeSantis and will never support him.
The back peddling is his mollifying response. https://archive.ph/Uz8zT#selection-1269.1-1274.0 That is backpeddling. It's not a flipfloping, which would be supporting direct action like the rinos.
And, once again, the back peddling was on his remarks, 'qualifying' or 'explaining in context' is a form of backpeddling. The original words had their impact, now he can walk it back a little for a more 'nuanced' approach.
GOP stooge 2.0. He's fine as governor but as president he'd be a disaster.
Here in Florida, he has a chorus to keep him in tune with voters thanks to the legislature. On his own, he's great at being MSM's golden boy and the uniparty puppet. We don't need this, we need someone who kicks the nest and tells the hornets to suck his balls.
this sub gets very uncomfortable when someone mention dominion machines
Anyone who believes the election was legitimate, is fucking retarded.
The majority of Americans are retards. Its easier to believe a comfortable lie than an uncomfortable truth.
Even morons can see it. It's willful blindness to ignore it. That's beyond stupidity and into moral failing, IMO.
This went over my head, what do you mean?
mention anything about election rigging here and kia's tds starts flaring up
Dunno about that. Though the TDSers seem to have forgotten that Trump was the most popular Republican on a night where Republicans cleaned up, yet he somehow lost.
Whatever happens, if DeSantis does anything to distance himself from MAGA or Trump, he's going to have a very bad time.
Anyone running against Trump for the nomination will obviously distance themselves away from Trump. Trump keeps attacking DeSantis baselessly so obviously he is not going to tie himself closely to such a man.
You seem to be confused at how the actual size of "MAGA".
"MAGA" is a subset of the Republican party that is at max 40 percent of the party. That 40 percent number is the upper ceiling derived from the percentage of the vote received in state primaries by hardcore Trumper candidates Mastriano and Lake.
Trump's ceiling in the primaries is likely around 45 percent where he also has some soft support.
Desantis will be fighting to win the other 55 percent of the primary voters.
The winner of the primary is who can win the people who voted for Trump in 2020 but are currently undecided on who to support for 2024.
Good luck with that. Hope you're happy with a distant second in the general election.
And just FYI, I'd be happy to vote for DeSantis if he approached the primary with an attitude of, "thanks to President Trump, but I think I can do a better job. The way he and his supporters have been treated is unacceptable in a free country."
If he comes out claiming Trump is some sort of insurrectionist conspiracy theorist election denier, well fuck him.
You cannot win a primary against Trump being a Trump sychophant.
He will attack Trump on his abysmal COVID response, especially Trump bending over for Fauci and Trump's poor personnel selection as well as Trump's overall lack of decency not your strawman of "insurrectionist conspiracy theorist election denier"
DeSantis is his own man and he will present his own positive vision for the country. He is not running to be pigeonholed as a MAGA.
You Trump fans are highly misguided if you think sucking off Trump helps you in a general election. Vast majority of the country doesn't worship Trump and about half hates Trump.
You need to run on policy that improves America not worship Trump like a gimp.
As Boobs said, there's a few people. Not everyone has to agree on everything. This isn't a Trump fan club, a DeSantis fan club, or anything else. Acting like because we have disagreements makes this community unclean is silly.
I think having so many different viewpoints makes this an interesting place. Ironically, diversity (of opinion) is our strength.
I've had interesting discussions with people from all kinds of different perspectives.
The topic rarely comes up though. I've only seen a couple people like Antonio shit on widespread election rigging claims.
There's probably 3 people, and one very full sock drawer.
Trump has been a fucking disaster since March of 2020.
Will take a DeSantis presidency anyday over running that geriatric again.
You're never getting a DeSantis presidency. If you do he's bought and paid for. The elections are fixed.
You have Trump in your fucking username.
Anything you say is worthless.
Here I go being nuanced again. I defended Trump recently, I've criticized Trump recently, and same goes for DeSantis.
I think DeSantis has made some blunders, and generally has the charisma of a wet sponge, but I think he's also done a damn good job in Florida. I don't hate him, but I also don't trust him.
That said, I think this conversation is being taken a little out of context for the sake of salaciousness. Read the article, it's not as clear cut as the headline makes it sound.
He slightly walks back some of his comments, but still says he doesn't want US involvement. I wish he'd said that included weapons - it's definitely a red flag that he basically said 'maybe' there - but for the most part he's still on the 'not our fight' angle.
The 'holding Putin accountable' thing seemed more like 'this is my ideal scenario' than 'the US must do this.'
So it just comes off, to me, as a 'Putin's done some bad things, and ideally he should be held accountable,' which I think is a fairly accurate statement. And this is coming from someone who has, and will continue to, heavily criticize Ukraine.
This wasn't the best look for DeSantis, and in my opinion he should have said some things he didn't, and shouldn't have said some things he did, but he could have done a lot worse. If anything, he was a bit too neutral, a bit too much of playing both sides, trying to make everyone happy.
That's a can of worms no politician should ever want to open, especially not an american one that wants to be president one day.
I mean, I'd like that, but I got a feeling he only wants people held accountable that he disagrees with.
It's a completely stupid statement. How the hell are we supposed to hold Putin responsible? Saying this only enamors him to the left and warhawks, and puts a bullet in any future relations with Russia if he wins higher office. Putin is the head of Russia, we have to deal with him whether we like it or not.
His just ben giving safe/non responses this week. Now wtf is he going to do with disney still parading the lgbt shit?
A better question is why he'd take an interview with piers now out of all times?
All I'm saying is, I don't think this was anywhere near as bad as some people are acting like it was. I'm certainly not waving any DeSantis flags or anything, but this wasn't a massive blunder or anything either.
I did say timing was paramount
DeSantis is still not advocating for any U S. Intervention here.
Where is the backpedaling you claim?
What some of you are really upset over is that DeSantis is not a Putin simp like the small group of online Trump grifters which includes Robert Barnes and Richard Baris.
The vast majority of Americans including most Republicans and even most Trump 2020 voters openly despise Putin, calling him a war criminal is just good politics.
DeSantis is nothing like the neo-cons of yesterday.
Bonafide neo-cons like Lindsey Graham, John Cornyn and Adam Kinzinger still despise DeSantis and will never support him.
Graham openly supports Trump.
The back peddling is his mollifying response. https://archive.ph/Uz8zT#selection-1269.1-1274.0 That is backpeddling. It's not a flipfloping, which would be supporting direct action like the rinos.
He was not for intervention last time he spoke and he remains not for intervention.
His labeling of Putin as a war criminal is not backpedaling. He previously attacked Putin as a despot when the conflict first started last year.
For the people here who foolishly simp for Putin, you are in the smallest of minorities. No sane American politician is going to align with you.
You will only have clowns like Robert Barnes and Richard Baris to parrot that stance.
I do not nor will I ever simp for the man. I do, however, have a special hate boner for Ukraine and its people.
And, once again, the back peddling was on his remarks, 'qualifying' or 'explaining in context' is a form of backpeddling. The original words had their impact, now he can walk it back a little for a more 'nuanced' approach.