Well if they really were "pick up artists" then they can't be "incels" at first place.
It sounds to me like they're talking about the people in the community, not the leaders.
So it makes sense. The people who felt they needed to becoming "pick up artists" did not start out being successful with women. So there's going to be plenty of overlap between "PUA" and "incel" communities, and most people won't have the discipline to make PUA stuff work for them, and will thus remain incels.
So, yeah, it's kind of a stupid title, but not as contradictory as it seems; the people who tried to be pick up artists, failed, and gave up, then started identifying as/with incels.
These guys get major props for at least using the term "incel" correctly, considering +90% of the time it's not.
Also, to the question in the video, it's basic common sense. A big chunk of the people who did the pickup artist thing were incels to begin with, since they felt they needed that. And let's say PUA stuff works really well...the average person still isn't going to be disciplined enough to make it work anyway, and will thus remain incels. Even if the basis of PUA is solid, it's still going to be around that ten percent of people who make it work for them, and the majority will fail.
Another thing is just the cultural shift. At the risk of being controversial...women have gotten worse. That's why you get the red pill stuff, the MGTOW stuff, and some of the incel stuff. And, for the record, I find a lot of the people in those communities very cringe, but I can at least see why the communities exist.
There was always an overlap in the communities online. I guess the implication in the title is that "pickup artist" tactics don't work so they become incels?
It sounds to me like they're talking about the people in the community, not the leaders.
So it makes sense. The people who felt they needed to becoming "pick up artists" did not start out being successful with women. So there's going to be plenty of overlap between "PUA" and "incel" communities, and most people won't have the discipline to make PUA stuff work for them, and will thus remain incels.
So, yeah, it's kind of a stupid title, but not as contradictory as it seems; the people who tried to be pick up artists, failed, and gave up, then started identifying as/with incels.
These guys get major props for at least using the term "incel" correctly, considering +90% of the time it's not.
Also, to the question in the video, it's basic common sense. A big chunk of the people who did the pickup artist thing were incels to begin with, since they felt they needed that. And let's say PUA stuff works really well...the average person still isn't going to be disciplined enough to make it work anyway, and will thus remain incels. Even if the basis of PUA is solid, it's still going to be around that ten percent of people who make it work for them, and the majority will fail.
Another thing is just the cultural shift. At the risk of being controversial...women have gotten worse. That's why you get the red pill stuff, the MGTOW stuff, and some of the incel stuff. And, for the record, I find a lot of the people in those communities very cringe, but I can at least see why the communities exist.
There was always an overlap in the communities online. I guess the implication in the title is that "pickup artist" tactics don't work so they become incels?
Yeah, they used a sensational title. I should have changed it to be more accurate.
Alex DatePsych explains on Chris Williamson's YouTube channel why so many people who used to be on pickup artist sites switch over to incel sites.
I have seen a lot of youtubers like him. "Watered down red pill." Courtney Ryan, Cole Hastings, etc.